There’s the CFAR workshop, but it’s just a 4 day program. (Though it would take longer to read all of Yudkowsky’s writing.)
I’m no expert, but in some plausible reading, US Military training is primarily about cultivating obedience and conformity. Of course some degree of physical conditioning is genuinely beneficial, but when’s the last time a Navy Seal got into a fist fight?
For most of the EA work that needs to get done (at the moment), having an army of replaceable, high-discipline, drones is not actually that useful. A lot of the movement hinges on a relatively small number of people acting with integrity, and thinking creatively.
Instead of intense training processes, EA at the moment relies on a really intense selection process. So the people who end up working in EA orgs have mostly already taught themselves the requisite discipline, work ethic and so on.
My impression is that the people who end up working in EA organizations are not on the same tier of discipline, work ethic, commitment, etc. as elite military forces and are not really even very close?
I don’t say that to disparage EA direct workers, I’m involved in direct work myself -- but my sense is that much more is possible. That said, as you mention the amount of discipline needed may simply not be as high.
Yeah again, for highly creative intellectual labor on multi-decade timescale, I’m not really convinced that working super hard or having no personal life or whatever is actually helpful. But I might be fooling myself since this view is very self-serving.
There’s the CFAR workshop, but it’s just a 4 day program. (Though it would take longer to read all of Yudkowsky’s writing.)
I’m no expert, but in some plausible reading, US Military training is primarily about cultivating obedience and conformity. Of course some degree of physical conditioning is genuinely beneficial, but when’s the last time a Navy Seal got into a fist fight?
For most of the EA work that needs to get done (at the moment), having an army of replaceable, high-discipline, drones is not actually that useful. A lot of the movement hinges on a relatively small number of people acting with integrity, and thinking creatively.
Instead of intense training processes, EA at the moment relies on a really intense selection process. So the people who end up working in EA orgs have mostly already taught themselves the requisite discipline, work ethic and so on.
My impression is that the people who end up working in EA organizations are not on the same tier of discipline, work ethic, commitment, etc. as elite military forces and are not really even very close?
I don’t say that to disparage EA direct workers, I’m involved in direct work myself -- but my sense is that much more is possible. That said, as you mention the amount of discipline needed may simply not be as high.
Yeah again, for highly creative intellectual labor on multi-decade timescale, I’m not really convinced that working super hard or having no personal life or whatever is actually helpful. But I might be fooling myself since this view is very self-serving.
I used to listen to the podcast of a former Navy SEAL and he argues that the idea of obedient drones is totally off for SEALs, and I got the impression they learn a lot of specialized skills for strategic warfare stuff. Here an article he wrote about this (haven’t read it myself): https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-seal-jocko-willink-debunks-military-blind-obedience-2018-6