Nice to meet you :)
26 y/o from FL/CH living in DE
volunteer at Co-Living & Co-Working place run by SingularityGroup.net
I had the opportunity to gain experience in a lot of different roles over the years. So if you’re up for a chat, we’ll most likely find something we have in common. You can check my LinkedIn for ideas. ☺️ Reach out here or book via Calendly: https://calendly.com/cassidy13k/
While I personally think your proposed solution sounds great, and is kind of what I meant in my post. But I didn’t want it to be specifically about 80k hours job board. They already do a great job helping job applicants with their limited resources and I didn’t want the post be criticism about their work (or centered around them in general). :)
But if there is somebody who is already in contact with them or other orgs like you, and can—with little additionally effort—push towards disclosing salaries, that’d be much appreciated.
It doesn’t seem feasible or effective for outsiders/applicants to request it. For example, one organization that mentioned it was accidentally missed in the description, still doesn’t disclose the salary 3 weeks later. So other than making this forum post I wasn’t sure what would be appropriate or useful to do from my side.
I wasn’t aware of such dynamics, thank you for commenting. :)
I would be interested to know if you only have this problem for specific positions (and if so why those), since you say it’s generally disclosed? For more senior roles, where the maximum salary can be high or uncapped, I totally understand needing to be able to negotiate better.
My main concern with this post was not even disclosing a minimum salary for the minimal viable candidate (e.g. junior roles) - which I’d think any organization knows up front when deciding to hire. Luckily many do list whole salary ranges or at least the base amount depending on location/seniority.
I’ve also seen 1 organization with a “no negotiation policy”. According to them it ensures fair pay across roles, but potentially also with benefits for the organization?
Thanks for your comment. It seems the link you posted is not accessible without signing up for Notion, is that intended?
I’m aware there’s a push to disclose salaries outside EA, sometimes even by law. But since organizations in the EA community generally aren’t for profit, I would think there is less incentive and reason to hide salaries or prevent pay discussions.
Fixed, thanks! Respect your approach, transparency is often underappreciated.
After checking the third entry I couldn’t help thinking of “You guys are getting paid?” meme :D
Interesting choice.
*I couldn’t figure out how to add pictures to comments, sorry :(
This sounds like a great project, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to updates. :)
Not sure if I can ask a question about this conference here: I’ve submitted my application for EAGxVirtual on 11-Sep-22 and haven’t gotten my status confirmed yet (1 month ago). A week ago the team told me via E-Mail that there was a high volume of applications to process, causing this delay. Since you write in the post that you would love to see more applications now, do you think it would be better to re-do mine?
Edit: Just got my registration email today (15-oct-22), looking forward to the conference. :)
Happy to read suggestions are welcome. :) Giving positive feedback (even if one disagrees with the content) is appreciated, since it encourages me (probably other users too) to continue interacting. Something I’d love to see more.
Question about your last pointer:
So is the chat in the bottom right corner for getting in touch with the technical forum team? Or chatting with anybody from the EA community?
From the chat interface itself and your last pointer that isn’t fully clear to me. When pressing “Send a message”, there is no previous chat history, so it doesn’t seem like and ongoing community chat.
When typing a message there I wouldn’t be sure at the moment, whether I would get a response via email or come back to the chat tomorrow. And if I come back tomorrow, whether my question will be hidden due to other people chatting after me.
I don’t fully understand how it works so I am not able to give suggestions. But if the Forum Team values new users understanding this chat (over e.g. creating a post), then perhaps my questions can be seen as a first-user-impression and hence possible feedback.
I’m only rarely on the LW forum (mainly reading via email summaries), so I don’t know what LW’s target audience or approach to new users is.
From the impression I got during various EA activities, theEA forum is meant to be a welcoming place for new users who are encouraged to interact. This doesn’t necessarily mean making full standalone posts, but can include creating question-posts or shortforms. The issue I’ve described applies to all post types.
Note that with new users I mainly mean users new to the forum, not necessarily new to EA. Having good knowledge of EA principles doesn’t include forum-navigation skills.
I understand you prefer new users to comment, and I agree that commenting is something that is easier to find. As a new user basic actions I picked up quickly were: viewing posts, voting, commenting, searching, opening my profile, using the sidebar. None of these actions included finding the forum manual and learning how or when to create posts.
So even after having lurked for a few weeks (so being within your “create-post target audience”), these things weren’t clear to me. There is no guide between creating comments and creating posts.
So aside from changing the general UI, what do you think about the other proposed suggestions?
This was a great write up, interesting topic, informational and easy to follow.
One question I had is if below were the only words you were looking for in a CV and why so. For example, you did not list “Lead”, which I’d think is frequently used for engineering roles.
I’m assuming either these were just examples (so not a complete list), or applicants only used these 2 terms?
Did any previous role include the word “senior” in its title?
Did any previous role include the word “manager” in its title?
Thanks for your reply and the link. I wasn’t aware of that thread before and added a comment there now. Hope you’ll have success with the hiring process. :)
The Search Page doesn’t seem to show results for basic questions. Some examples:
How to Create Posts / where is the create button
other things explained in the forum manual
where to write “forum feedback”, this suggestions thread doesn’t show up for this term
Not sure if this is an search indexing issue, or perhaps the actual “questions” user would put in the search field, aren’t part of the posts answering them. This could maybe be solved by adding a new post—which basically explains the same as other informational posts (e.g. forum manual), but with a Q&A style, so search will index it.
For reference, there are some other new user navigation suggestion in this post.
Fund people to go to the new alignment research center/group house in Vermont, where rents are extremely low.
Just wanted to chime in here to make sure people are aware that there are many more group houses and Co-Living projects out there. From my knowledge, several of them still have quite some free spots or are lesser known.
Examples of the top of my head (who specialize in AI/longtermism/research) are Aurea in Berlin (Germany) and CEEALAR in Blackpool (UK). But I wouldn’t be surprised most are cause-agnostic, so if the main concern is cost-efficient living (which contributes to low-cost research), reaching out to any would be an option. :)
So while the concept isn’t new, maybe it could be beneficial to make people more aware that these options exist. Especially now as people affected by current situation might need more financial and communal support.
Here is an example post about them: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/4zHWQNzCusaTfD7jz/ea-houses-live-or-stay-with-eas-around-the-world
Edited to add where I found some. :) Here is an example post about them: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/4zHWQNzCusaTfD7jz/ea-houses-live-or-stay-with-eas-around-the-world
More than a year later and this is still a great post, thank you! :)
There Are No Walls. Short post about how to see how many options you truly have.
I especially liked this article. :) The link in your post didn‘t work for me, but this one did: http://www.katwoods.org/home/there-are-no-walls
Does this EA org publicly declare this salary, or is this a number you might know from private connections? Would love to see that job description and how they explain it.
I would think such a high number could turn around some people’s views and more strongly consider working at non-profits—such info should be better known.