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(The one deleted by Max Dalton on 2018-11-8)
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Thanks, this is helpful.
It’s tricky to think about from my perspective – two true things seem in tension:
(1) New business is being started, and the founder definitely wants people to use their product.
(2) New business is being started because the founder thinks starting it is an impactful thing to do.
So it feels like there’s a balance to strike between (1) & (2) in the communications around the retreat.
Following (1), we’d want more folks to attend the retreat. Following (2), we’re indifferent to whether folks attend the retreat, and really just want to get people’s thoughts on the retreat as new EA project.
Does the tension I’m pointing to make sense?
[Disclosure: I’m helping out Atman Retreat as an advisor; views are my own]
Tangentially relevant: https://www.openphilanthropy.org/blog/update-how-were-thinking-about-openness-and-information-sharing
Also note that the Openness result Scott talks about hasn’t replicated: https://www.enthea.net/griffiths-2017-2.html
(More research needed, as always.)
Thanks. The Slate Star Codex post is definitely interesting, though it’s easy to construct a set of countervailing examples – people who use psychedelics & seem pretty sensible (e.g. Steve Jobs, Eric Weinstein, Tim Ferriss, off the top of my head).
edit: Sam Harris, Elon Musk, Aldous Huxley are also in the “use psychedelics & seem pretty sensible” category.
Also, Gregory was noting a correlation within EA specifically; none of these examples speak to that.
This trend is a weak one, with many exceptions; I also don’t know about direction of causation. Yet this is enough to make me recommend that taking psychedelics to ‘make one a better EA’ is very ill-advised.
Given the weakness of the trend & uncertainty about how the causation runs, “very ill-advised” seems too strong.
Also your view doesn’t account for the potential upsides of psychedelic use.
… in EA, psychedelic use seems to go along with a cluster of bad epistemic practice (e.g. pseudoscience, neurobabble, ‘enlightenment’, obscurantism).
Could you link to some public-facing examples of the bad epistemic practice you have in mind?
(I don’t share your intuition so would like to get a better idea of what’s generating it.)
… I think a better set up would have been: ‘psychedelics look good whether you just value the near-term or the long-term’
Good point – I agree that the near-term / long-term distinction is better for this.
Also I’m not confident you internalized this part of the post:
Maintaining situational awareness dovetails nicely with adding complex value – the better your situational awareness, the more opportunities for adding complex value you’ll see.
Could be restated as: “situational awareness uncovers opportunities for adding complex value.”
In some sense, “person was situationally aware” is upstream of all examples of adding complex value.
Perhaps the case for keeping the page up has something to do with the page being highly ranked on Google search...
Some of Eli Tyre’s work is also a good example of this. Details on this thread.
otherwise why would there be no studies listed that found no effect or a negative effect?
Aaron did link to Nichols 2016, a review article on psychedelics that includes discussion of associated risks and potential side effects.
The academic research on psychedelics has been generally very positive.
“Bad trips” may not even be a pathology – see Carbonaro et al. 2016, a survey of people who’d reported having bad trips. Carbonaro et al. found that 84% of people who had bad trips “endorsed benefiting from the experience.”
Common triggers of psychosis… some medications or drugs, especially marijuana, psychedelics, MDMA
Re: psychedelics & psychosis risk, see Krebs & Johansen 2013, a study of National Survey on Drug Use and Health data (n = 130,152) which found:
21,967 respondents (13.4% weighted) reported lifetime psychedelic use. There were no significant associations between lifetime use of any psychedelics, lifetime use of specific psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, peyote), or past year use of LSD and increased rate of any of the mental health outcomes.
Rather, in several cases psychedelic use was associated with lower rate of mental health problems.
More detail on this comment thread.
I think monetary policy etc. has a lot of relevance to things EA cares about.
Happily it’s already on Open Phil’s radar: https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/cause-reports/macroeconomic-policy
Actually, I’ve gotten a lot of personal value from being on a couple facebook messenger groups he curates. That’s not confidential :-)
Unfortunately (and also related to some of the points of the OP), all the concrete examples that come to mind are confidential.
(Also FYI, the findings from the 2011 paper SSC references haven’t been replicated.)
Here’s more on one failure to replicate the Openness result: https://www.enthea.net/griffiths-2017-2.html
I don’t see this as a risk for EA/rationalist types though, and would argue that pretty strongly.
I’m very bullish on more big-five openness in the rationality & EA communities, personally.
“Staying relevant is my long goal”
-- Alex Chen
Are there particular instances in which you think someone has generated a lot of value by “maintaining situational awareness”?
Alex Chen is the archetype of “generating value by maintaining situational awareness”
(Among other things, he was the top question-asker on Quora for a long time, and perhaps still holds the record for “asked most questions on Quora”)
He’s an amazing networker, which is enabled by his situational awareness. (Really anyone who’s a good networker is so because of their good situational awareness.)