Miguel
Cost-benefit analysis is often used to make decisions about whether or not to pursue a particular course of action. However, it can also be useful for determining whether or not to engage in altruistic pursuits. When considering whether or not to help others, we must weigh the costs (of our time, effort, and resources) against the benefits (the good that we can do). In some cases, the benefits will outweigh the costs and it will make sense to help. In other cases, the costs will be too high and we’ll need to focus our efforts elsewhere. Ultimately, cost-benefit analysis can be a helpful tool for deciding how best to use our resources to make the world a better place.
Despite the enormous number of learning AGI has accomplished, It hasn’t produced something similar to a replacement consciousness. I guess the current trajectory is useful to other areas of intelligence—but not a replacement to our human cognitive capacity.
I was actually thinking of the same thing. Nice work here bro.
Hello Guys, I’m Miguel, creator of whitehatStoic ! That focuses on sharing my journey helping the idea of Effective Altruism grow. New To The Forum but have been involved to altruistic projects here in there over the years. Glad to be here and have a nice day!
How Important Is This Century For Humanity?
Hi Felix,
I am currently supporting two projects through donations namely Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Huberman Lab. Currently, I’m trying to see if red teaming EA ideas, similar to those ones in Superlinear or AI x-risk is something I can be a part with moving forward.
As far as the YouTube Channel, That is an experimental project of mine—sharing what I study at a time which I know will become useful to other people too, as my goal is to share probably in this lifetime is to share useful and truthful ideas. I did not personally asked for permission in posting them—but have seen numerous times that Dr. Jordan Peterson encourages people to share the ideas as long as the context is complete and YouTube filters the permissions and all of the videos uploaded never had copyright issues.
I’m trying to learn as I go in this journey to be honest and do not have all the answers, I would appreciate guidance and comments from everybody—especially more experienced content creators in the EA Community.
Thank you Felix, Looking forward for your reply!
A Constitution For The Future
Have you read Meditations, by Marcus Aurelius? I highly recommend that book for you judging by the books you shared here.
I am a philosopher by my actions, and as I have understood as the best action forward for humanity is to define what is truthful as our world had gone to so many routes to learning that can lead to information overloading. Nothing I believe can trump the argument that truth should serve the preservation of life. So I suggested concepts that can adhere to this while pursuing a unified constitution for the future.
I appreciate your comment but I do not agree that stating truth is in the service of life is tyrannical—it is even anti-tyranny as it helps political policies to be grounded in preserving what is thought to be uniquely found on earth—oxygen processing organisms that can justify the expanse of time through meaning and struggle.
Thanks and let me know your thoughts,
Miguel
No rush in Replying Haris, Football is a thing too here in the Caribbean!!
As to your question on progress—my answer is Yes we did have a lot of progress but it is slowing down and most of us are becoming more seemingly confused of what is our role in this lifetime—I can say that 90 to 95 percent of society is not utilizing their potential and is either 1) following a wrong narrative or 2) too busy with the struggles of life—work, relationships, parenting (which is a viable answer to be honest). We have not found a ground breaking theoretical physics since Einstein. What we then put ourselves since that is abilities like to alter evolution through genetic engineering/ birth control or the God like power of nuclear energy. So I see true progress in my own view as something we aspire as a human race and not only in the hands of the few that aspires for it. If we are aiming for multi-planetary governance—we should see that a rock solid meta-ethic can work on different worlds where gravitational force or water resource may differ.
To answer your second comment / question: Most governments are becoming lesser and lesser objective in their pursuit of societal welfare—or at least this is how it looks like to me as probably the decline in the method where we entrust our lives. We might be reaching the limits of what governments are as the rapid increase in technology have proven that policy makers are unable to catch up. Well that is why I believe the future fund had listed this topic in their project ideas—what can a futuristic governance may look like—hence I took a shot at trying to stretch my mind on the concept, where very much so I agree with them that we need a cohesive approach to becoming a multi-planetary species—a concept that can apply to worlds with varying physics and resources.
Enjoy the game Haris. Btw, which league it is? =)
Hey Harris,
All was clear and good. You know we can both help each other sharing ideas about the topic, especially its not a lot of people who are discussing the far future from a governance perspective.
Agreements can become biased to people’s interests. This is the reason why a meta ethic in my view is better—well grounded concepts (empirical and meta-truths) is a better structure to ground policies in my perspective.
Thank you for your time on this Dude. Hope the Liverpool match gave you a great time too =)
Miguel
Hi Harris,
I’m erring on the side of self-interests as more leaning to bad side because of how primal or self serving most policies are approved / enacted. I personally have seen it on the highest echelons of politics and to the lowest forms of governing units.
There are some truths that we cannot argue against with. Examples of these are Einstein’s theories, Evolution, History, Bits (Zeroes and Ones), Stoicism—rock solid concepts that stood the test of time. I am advocating for robust policies based on ideas that will not shake whoever biased politician, prime minister in positions of wealth or power will bend or break....
What Is see as this project is very difficult I am well aware of the complexity of the topic but understanding how deep each policy should be nailed into fundamental truths—is the only way forward in my honest view.
Thanks for your ideas Haris. All the best,
Miguel
Hi Harris,
Thanks for sharing your views with Aristotle and yes, a virtuous person is more capable than a person that have eliminated their self interests.
Hmmmm. Well that is the purpose of the idea I propose—seek a better foundational structure to where we can lay our ideas and move forward with the ability to grow and adapt. Obviously I am stepping outside the realms of my expertise here but in my experience those concepts have worked out for me and was able to help a lot of people that is why I see them as “my applied foundational truths”, as to my proposal is Truth serves life on Earth and Future Worlds
As far as decentralization is something that is a holy grail for keeping up with the accounting of distribution of records, kind of achieved by bitcoin and crypto using distributed ledgers, but unfortunately we do not have the physics yet to sustain the energy and computational requirement of it—data transfer between planets is another problem so we need new discoveries in order to facilitate this.
All the best,
Miguel
Hi Haris,
Yes, a baseline foundation that is not anti-life. We both agree on it.
As far as to your concept of Decentralization, hmmmmm. History does explain even in the existence of a great baseline, succeeding rulers can still tilt the whole government or empire to a very diabolic direction. I truly can’t find of a better view to the problem—especially transacting resources from one world to another will definitely require a common procedure at the very least.
Very interesting discussion Haris. I look forward to sharing more ideas with you in the future.
All the Best,
Miguel
Hi Haris,
Thanks, and its an honor to be slugging ideas out with you. What I meant as baseline was history being the measuring stick that we evaluate how bad or good a succession of power is especially no single king or president lives forever. Succession of power always is the thing in governance - so many examples of bad apples that destroyed great legacies here and there.
Capitalism for it solves the inequality issue that is very difficult to solve. People bestowed with great talents and energy can never be equalized at any degree....as you can see Elon Musk amassed so much resources because of this and fortunately he is trying to use it for the good and the far future.
I also do not advocate for war and killings. Democracy is not for everyone as not all people can think properly to make educated votes and equality? equality of outcomes or equality of opportunity? Because if you say equality of outcomes—this is a horrible idea for the reason that I mentioned why Capitalism works. But equality of opportunity is another holy grail that we should try to achieve in this lifetime.
I will listen to the podcast Haris. Thank you for sharing your ideas.
All the best,
Miguel
Hi Haris,
Not at all a clash but I would appreciate you pointing out the evil in Elon in Greater Detail. I have followed his projects and have seen the methodologies to work. But please elaborate it.
Definitely that wealth inequality is a problem but I do not see the constitution being the prime solution to it—as we have tried equalizing statuses and resources of people before and for numerous times millions of people died—communist countries have tried it.
hmmmmm. I hope you can point me to that also, the average thinkers = experts opinions. I h see that there is a very wide gap between the differences in cognitive abilities as pioneers and innovators have paved way for the modern world to exist—that is why I think that no amount of average thinkers can trump a single fundamental discovery in biology or physics.… It’s just is not that I like the idea of us being useless compared to Einstein or Dirac. They just have figured out solutions to how we should interpret reality properly and the average mind cannot comprehend the complexity that they did.
This is a video on Why Chasing Equality Of Outcome leads to the wrong direction..
All the best,
Miguel
Autonomous AI Hacking is a great theory—but it is difficult to see it happening at the current landscape where we have a reality as of the moment that Artificial consciousness not being able to see themselves as separate entities—thus there is no need for them to defend themselves or figure out an attack procedure. The embodiment problem is crucial for these machines to work autonomously..
Population Decline
Hi Haris,
No rush in replying and I appreciate your honesty and time on these concepts.
Equality of outcome is so difficult to achieve—how many race or ethnicities do we need to level down or up? How many age do we need to evaluate? do we prefer men or women? kids vs. Adults? Outcomes can never equalize no matter how hard we try and again, we tried it in communist countries as the idea of aiming utopias have birthed to the deaths of millions (Maoist China, Russia’s Stalin and Pot’s Cambodia). Equality of opportunities is what I prefer—all have the freedom to choose and opportunities are available to everyone.
I have not read Musk charging for his support in Ukraine so I need to read more—but if that is the case and there was no reason for it that is viable. But the free speech and buying twitter can become something that is worth to see in the coming months, I agree on his take on revamping the mechanism of twitter and make it more objective rather than subjective like the twitter board so its yet to see if his claims of freedom of speech will prosper. We will see.
I will read the one you attached here and will share my ideas later.
In some sense Dirac and Einstein are unique individuals like those that have talents similar to music and sports. But the works they did became foundations of other great things—the theoretical physicists have helped us paved the modern world like no other group has…
Again, no rush in commenting and i hope you have a great day today.
All the best.
Miguel
What is more absurd is we have very little time in this world and 99.99% of us waste it.