I thought he was saying mostly that it wasn’t bad to work with the military bc it was cybersecurity, where to me that wasn’t the crux
? It is clearly not what I was telling you. At the end of January, I told you pretty directly that for people who are not aware of the context what you wrote might be misleading, because you omitted crucial details. It’s not about how good or bad what OpenAI are doing is. It’s about people not having important details of the story to judge for themselves.
Mikhail may have felt I was being soldier-y bc I wouldn’t spend more time trying to figure out what he was talking about, but that had more to do with me thinking I had basically understood his point (which I took to be basically that I wasn’t including enough details in the promotional materials so people wouldn’t have a picture he considered accurate enough) and just disagreed with it.
I’m not sure where it’s coming from. I suggest you look at the messages we exchanged around January 31 and double-check you’re not misleading people here.
It seems to me that you are not considering the possibility that you may in fact not have said this clearly, and that this was a misunderstanding that you could have prevented by communicating another way.
I don’t think the miscommunication can be blamed on any one party specifically. Both could have made different actions to reduce the risk of misunderstanding. I find it reasonable for both of them to think they had more important stuff to do than spend 10x time reducing the risk of misunderstanding and think the responsibility is on the other person.
To give my two cents on this, each time I talked with Mikhail he had really good points on lots of topics, and the conversations helped me improve my models a lot. However, I do have a harder time understanding Mikhail than understanding the average person, and definitely feel the need to put in lots of work to get his points. In particular, his statements tend to feel a lot like attacks (like saying you’re deceptive), and it’s straining to decouple and not get defensive to just consider the factual point he’s making.
EDIT: looking at the further replies from Holly and looking back at the messages we exchanged, I’m no longer certain it was miscommunication and not something intentional. As I said elsewhere, I’d be happy for the messages to be shared with a third party. (Please ignore the part about certainty in the original comment below.)
There’s certainly was miscommunication surrounding the draft of this post, but I don’t believe they didn’t understand people can be misled back at the end of January.
You said a lot of things to me, not all of which I remember, but the above were two of them. I knew I didn’t get everything you wanted me to get about what you were saying, but I felt that I understood enough to know what the cruxes were and where I stood on them.
I told you pretty directly that for people who are not aware of the context what you wrote might be misleading, because you omitted crucial details
I said:
which I took to be basically that I wasn’t including enough details in the promotional materials so people wouldn’t have a picture he considered accurate enough
I wouldn’t care if people knew some number to some approximation and not fully. This is quite different from saying something that’s technically not false but creates a misleading impression you thought was more likely to get people to support your message.
I don’t want to be spending time this way and would be happy if you found someone we’d both be happy with them reading our message exchange and figuring out how deceptive or not was the protest messaging.
? It is clearly not what I was telling you. At the end of January, I told you pretty directly that for people who are not aware of the context what you wrote might be misleading, because you omitted crucial details. It’s not about how good or bad what OpenAI are doing is. It’s about people not having important details of the story to judge for themselves.
I’m not sure where it’s coming from. I suggest you look at the messages we exchanged around January 31 and double-check you’re not misleading people here.
It seems to me that you are not considering the possibility that you may in fact not have said this clearly, and that this was a misunderstanding that you could have prevented by communicating another way.
I don’t think the miscommunication can be blamed on any one party specifically. Both could have made different actions to reduce the risk of misunderstanding. I find it reasonable for both of them to think they had more important stuff to do than spend 10x time reducing the risk of misunderstanding and think the responsibility is on the other person.
To give my two cents on this, each time I talked with Mikhail he had really good points on lots of topics, and the conversations helped me improve my models a lot.
However, I do have a harder time understanding Mikhail than understanding the average person, and definitely feel the need to put in lots of work to get his points. In particular, his statements tend to feel a lot like attacks (like saying you’re deceptive), and it’s straining to decouple and not get defensive to just consider the factual point he’s making.
EDIT: looking at the further replies from Holly and looking back at the messages we exchanged, I’m no longer certain it was miscommunication and not something intentional. As I said elsewhere, I’d be happy for the messages to be shared with a third party. (Please ignore the part about certainty in the original comment below.)
There’s certainly was miscommunication surrounding the draft of this post, but I don’t believe they didn’t understand people can be misled back at the end of January.
You said a lot of things to me, not all of which I remember, but the above were two of them. I knew I didn’t get everything you wanted me to get about what you were saying, but I felt that I understood enough to know what the cruxes were and where I stood on them.
You said:
I said:
Are these not the same thing?
I wouldn’t care if people knew some number to some approximation and not fully. This is quite different from saying something that’s technically not false but creates a misleading impression you thought was more likely to get people to support your message.
I don’t want to be spending time this way and would be happy if you found someone we’d both be happy with them reading our message exchange and figuring out how deceptive or not was the protest messaging.