I’m more concerned with the community not engaging enough with the problems raised in the post.
Experience teaches that there are (at least) two types of postmortem analyses when something goes wrong: a type that is more focused on questions of blame, and one that is focused on root cause analysis / lessons learned / how to improve / etc. These types of inquiry struggle to coexist in the same conversation, because the former creates an adversarial tone regarding the persons against whom blame is being considered.
Now, that is not to say that blame-focused inquiries are bad, and the other type is better as a matter of course. But the title and tone of your post placed this discussion clearly in the blame-focused camp, and it’s hard for the non-blamey type of conservation to form out of such an environment.
I suspect most community members felt that the proffered evidence does not sufficiently make out a case of deception (i.e., intentional misrepresentation) and are thus disinclined to participate in discussion of downstream philosophical issues that only come into play if they reach a conclusion that deception was present (vs. making a mistake).
If you’re interested in learning more about the second type of analysis, I’d suggest reading more about just culture in fields like medicine and aviation.
To many community members, including protest participants, it’s pretty clear the messaging was deceptive.
A protest organiser is saying it was the curse of knowledge, but I sent them messages directly pointing out how people will see the messaging. As I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, I want to have a third party look at the messages exchanged between me and the protest organiser, if they agree.
Also, I expect many people to only skim through the post, and look at of the protest organiser’s initial engagement with it or a shortform post they made before I published the post; all of these make it seem like I’m saying the organiser intentionally made the mistake they then corrected:
“I ran a successful protest at [company] yesterday. Before the night was over, Mikhail Samin, who attended the protest, sent me a document to review that accused me of what sounds like a bait and switch and deceptive practices because I made an error in my original press release (which got copied as a description on other materials) and apparently didn’t address it to his satisfaction because I didn’t change the theme of the event more radically or cancel it.”
These post and comments have not been corrected to show that this is not what I’m talking about, when the protest organiser understood what misleading messaging the post talks about.
Experience teaches that there are (at least) two types of postmortem analyses when something goes wrong: a type that is more focused on questions of blame, and one that is focused on root cause analysis / lessons learned / how to improve / etc. These types of inquiry struggle to coexist in the same conversation, because the former creates an adversarial tone regarding the persons against whom blame is being considered.
Now, that is not to say that blame-focused inquiries are bad, and the other type is better as a matter of course. But the title and tone of your post placed this discussion clearly in the blame-focused camp, and it’s hard for the non-blamey type of conservation to form out of such an environment.
I suspect most community members felt that the proffered evidence does not sufficiently make out a case of deception (i.e., intentional misrepresentation) and are thus disinclined to participate in discussion of downstream philosophical issues that only come into play if they reach a conclusion that deception was present (vs. making a mistake).
If you’re interested in learning more about the second type of analysis, I’d suggest reading more about just culture in fields like medicine and aviation.
To many community members, including protest participants, it’s pretty clear the messaging was deceptive.
A protest organiser is saying it was the curse of knowledge, but I sent them messages directly pointing out how people will see the messaging. As I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, I want to have a third party look at the messages exchanged between me and the protest organiser, if they agree.
Also, I expect many people to only skim through the post, and look at of the protest organiser’s initial engagement with it or a shortform post they made before I published the post; all of these make it seem like I’m saying the organiser intentionally made the mistake they then corrected: “I ran a successful protest at [company] yesterday. Before the night was over, Mikhail Samin, who attended the protest, sent me a document to review that accused me of what sounds like a bait and switch and deceptive practices because I made an error in my original press release (which got copied as a description on other materials) and apparently didn’t address it to his satisfaction because I didn’t change the theme of the event more radically or cancel it.”
These post and comments have not been corrected to show that this is not what I’m talking about, when the protest organiser understood what misleading messaging the post talks about.