I’ve never been able to understand how any serious consideration of insect welfare doesn’t immediately lead to the unacceptable conclusion that any cause other than the welfare of demodex mites or nematodes is almost meaningless.
You can also be morally uncertain about the moral weights of animals in other ways, although I’ve recently argued against it being very important here, so for me, it’s mostly attitudes towards risk and uncertainty/ambiguity and aggregation, and, of course, the particular probabilities and other numbers involved.
I’m personally inclined to focus on arthropods using a decent share of my altruistic budget, but not most of it. I’m fairly concerned about mites, but not specifically demodex mites. I don’t care much about nematodes (which are not arthropods, and seem particularly unlikely to matter much to me).
The breadth of the confidence intervals in any animal suffering research, particularly once it moves away from vertebrates, makes me feel like this work won’t ever lead to any actionable conclusions beyond “torturing things is bad, avoid if possible”, which we sort of knew from the start.
Just to clarify: the problem is that we don’t know what is and isn’t torture. Is freezing insects the humane way to kill them—or is it a slow and painful way for them to die? The default view among entomologists is the former, but there are lots of physiological considerations that point in the other direction. I think you’re assuming that we know a lot more than we do about how to improve the lives of insects on farms given the options available.
“Slow” and “painful” very different.
“Slow” yes, you could study how long it takes for freezing to kill them or stop their neurons firing, though this doesn’t seem like very useful information.
“Painful” is the key and the problem: I don’t see any way toward quantifying how subjectively “painful” something is for an insect and how much we should spend to avoid that pain, hence there will always be a stalemate when it comes to implementation.
(Not speaking for this group.)
Adding to what others have said already, you could also have moral/normative uncertainty about decision theory and aim to do well across multiple attitudes to risk and uncertainty/ambiguity, and some attitudes will prioritize animals that seem less likely to be conscious more or less than others, some possibly severely discounting invertebrates. You can also be morally uncertain about moral aggregation (by addition in particular, say), and then helping humans might look better on non-aggregative (or only partially aggregative) views.
You can also be morally uncertain about the moral weights of animals in other ways, although I’ve recently argued against it being very important here, so for me, it’s mostly attitudes towards risk and uncertainty/ambiguity and aggregation, and, of course, the particular probabilities and other numbers involved.
I’m personally inclined to focus on arthropods using a decent share of my altruistic budget, but not most of it. I’m fairly concerned about mites, but not specifically demodex mites. I don’t care much about nematodes (which are not arthropods, and seem particularly unlikely to matter much to me).
I agree that the field is full of uncertainty.
The breadth of the confidence intervals in any animal suffering research, particularly once it moves away from vertebrates, makes me feel like this work won’t ever lead to any actionable conclusions beyond “torturing things is bad, avoid if possible”, which we sort of knew from the start.
Just to clarify: the problem is that we don’t know what is and isn’t torture. Is freezing insects the humane way to kill them—or is it a slow and painful way for them to die? The default view among entomologists is the former, but there are lots of physiological considerations that point in the other direction. I think you’re assuming that we know a lot more than we do about how to improve the lives of insects on farms given the options available.
“Slow” and “painful” very different. “Slow” yes, you could study how long it takes for freezing to kill them or stop their neurons firing, though this doesn’t seem like very useful information. “Painful” is the key and the problem: I don’t see any way toward quantifying how subjectively “painful” something is for an insect and how much we should spend to avoid that pain, hence there will always be a stalemate when it comes to implementation.