Yeah, I mis-wrote there, will update that line in the post (though I say it correctly a few paragraphs later[1]). They traveled together between those dates.
From my perspective it’s fairly ambiguous at what point Alice started “working” for Nonlinear.
On the call with me, Kat said (roughly verbatim) “If you asked each of me/Emerson/Drew at what point Alice became an employee, we’d each give three different answers.” Kat said that her answer was at the end of February when they claim that they started paying Alice $1k/month, and that was when Kat started giving her Nonlinear tasks and negotiated things like vacation time.
Emerson said he didn’t know that was happening and thought he was just giving Alice a gift, and Alice reports after she quit he said he’d never thought of her as an employee.
Alice herself reports that the first conversation she had with Emerson, at EAG, lasting 4 hours, they explicitly discussed working together and salary. She says she walked away from that conversation believing they’d agreed that if she were to work for him, she would need $2.5k-$3k/month in salary to make ends meet, and was generally expecting to eventually work with Nonlinear when they travelled.
So as I say, IMO it’s quite confusing when they started being an employee in different people’s minds, but my current guess would be end-of-February when Kat thinks she started managing her would be a reasonable choice.
Added: In this December 28th comment Kat Woods says that they “are also incubating a promising woman for an as-yet-unspecified charity”, which is Alice. So I think it’s accurate to think of her as in their incubator at least at that point.
Alice joined as the sole person in their incubation program. She moved in with them after meeting Nonlinear at EAG and having a ~4 hour conversation there with Emerson, plus a second Zoom call with Kat. Initially while traveling with them she continued her previous job remotely, but was encouraged to quit and work on an incubated org, and after 2 months she quit her job and started working on projects with Nonlinear.
Yeah, I mis-wrote there, will update that line in the post (though I say it correctly a few paragraphs later[1]). They traveled together between those dates.
From my perspective it’s fairly ambiguous at what point Alice started “working” for Nonlinear.
On the call with me, Kat said (roughly verbatim) “If you asked each of me/Emerson/Drew at what point Alice became an employee, we’d each give three different answers.” Kat said that her answer was at the end of February when they claim that they started paying Alice $1k/month, and that was when Kat started giving her Nonlinear tasks and negotiated things like vacation time.
Emerson said he didn’t know that was happening and thought he was just giving Alice a gift, and Alice reports after she quit he said he’d never thought of her as an employee.
Alice herself reports that the first conversation she had with Emerson, at EAG, lasting 4 hours, they explicitly discussed working together and salary. She says she walked away from that conversation believing they’d agreed that if she were to work for him, she would need $2.5k-$3k/month in salary to make ends meet, and was generally expecting to eventually work with Nonlinear when they travelled.
So as I say, IMO it’s quite confusing when they started being an employee in different people’s minds, but my current guess would be end-of-February when Kat thinks she started managing her would be a reasonable choice.
Added: In this December 28th comment Kat Woods says that they “are also incubating a promising woman for an as-yet-unspecified charity”, which is Alice. So I think it’s accurate to think of her as in their incubator at least at that point.
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