Thanks for the post — I only sort of skimmed the post and comments, and crucially I don’t think this is what your post is really about, but it seems like you have the view that we’re kinda clueless about whether factory farmed animals have good or bad lives. In reference to this, you mention in a comment: “It’s hard to be confident of any view on this, when we understand so little about consciousness, animal cognition, or morality.”
As an aside, the term “factory farmed animals” is kind of weird category that includes both cows and chickens (among other animals). You could plausibly make the case that cows have net positive lives, but it seems pretty difficult to say the same for chickens.
Sure, we don’t understand everything and everything about morality, but given the evidence we do have with regards to animal suffering and a few other basic axioms and intuitions, it seems hard to put this at 50:50 or similar. There are a bunch of arguments in favor of factory farmed chickens having bad lives, and I’m not aware of many arguments saying that they have positive lives. I think the Holocaust case is interesting but a bit confusing because those people had (probably) happy/positive lives before the Holocaust, and could have had happy/positive lives if they had been released. If someone were to intentionally breed humans into existence in order to place them into concentration camps (and later kill them), I think most plausible ethical theories would consider this to be uncontroversially bad.
Thanks for the post — I only sort of skimmed the post and comments, and crucially I don’t think this is what your post is really about, but it seems like you have the view that we’re kinda clueless about whether factory farmed animals have good or bad lives. In reference to this, you mention in a comment: “It’s hard to be confident of any view on this, when we understand so little about consciousness, animal cognition, or morality.”
As an aside, the term “factory farmed animals” is kind of weird category that includes both cows and chickens (among other animals). You could plausibly make the case that cows have net positive lives, but it seems pretty difficult to say the same for chickens.
Sure, we don’t understand everything and everything about morality, but given the evidence we do have with regards to animal suffering and a few other basic axioms and intuitions, it seems hard to put this at 50:50 or similar. There are a bunch of arguments in favor of factory farmed chickens having bad lives, and I’m not aware of many arguments saying that they have positive lives. I think the Holocaust case is interesting but a bit confusing because those people had (probably) happy/positive lives before the Holocaust, and could have had happy/positive lives if they had been released. If someone were to intentionally breed humans into existence in order to place them into concentration camps (and later kill them), I think most plausible ethical theories would consider this to be uncontroversially bad.