Scott describes the study as functionally randomized because restrictions vary by church, which is indeed the closest I could possibly hope to get with a nutrition RCT. However the cohort description makes no mention of this, and the 7DA I talked to said that it wasn’t his experience: individual churches varied a little in their recommendations, but people within the same church varied a little in their choice of diet. This seems corroborated by the fact that meat eating is associated with ~every bad thing.
Also if I’m reading this correctly, the rank ordering of death rates is for women: pescatarian < lacto-ovo-veg <vegan < omnivore (lower is better) for men: pescatarian =~ vegan < lacto-ovo vegetarian < omnivore
I have several questions on how you did the statistics, would you be willing to talk more over email?
Ah sorry, I seem to have slightly misled you. The quote which you attribute to Scott is actually written by me and the co-author of an adversarial collaboration hosted on Scott’s old blog. I’m not the author of the Adventist Health Study linked, much that I wish I was!
If you have questions about the statistics in the adversarial collaboration I’d be more than happy to talk through the approach we used. If you have questions about AHS2, by all means let’s share the work of finding the answer but I can’t promise to be any more help than any other random person you’d pick off the street
Getting the paper author on EAF did seem like an unreasonable stroke of good luck.
I wrote out my full thoughts here, before I saw your response, but the above captures a lot of it. The data in the paper is very different than what you described. I think it was especially misleading to give all the caveats you did without mentioning that pescetarianism tied with veganism in men, and surpassed it for women.
Scott describes the study as functionally randomized because restrictions vary by church, which is indeed the closest I could possibly hope to get with a nutrition RCT. However the cohort description makes no mention of this, and the 7DA I talked to said that it wasn’t his experience: individual churches varied a little in their recommendations, but people within the same church varied a little in their choice of diet. This seems corroborated by the fact that meat eating is associated with ~every bad thing.
Also if I’m reading this correctly, the rank ordering of death rates is
for women: pescatarian < lacto-ovo-veg <vegan < omnivore (lower is better)
for men: pescatarian =~ vegan < lacto-ovo vegetarian < omnivore
I have several questions on how you did the statistics, would you be willing to talk more over email?
Ah sorry, I seem to have slightly misled you. The quote which you attribute to Scott is actually written by me and the co-author of an adversarial collaboration hosted on Scott’s old blog. I’m not the author of the Adventist Health Study linked, much that I wish I was!
If you have questions about the statistics in the adversarial collaboration I’d be more than happy to talk through the approach we used. If you have questions about AHS2, by all means let’s share the work of finding the answer but I can’t promise to be any more help than any other random person you’d pick off the street
Getting the paper author on EAF did seem like an unreasonable stroke of good luck.
I wrote out my full thoughts here, before I saw your response, but the above captures a lot of it. The data in the paper is very different than what you described. I think it was especially misleading to give all the caveats you did without mentioning that pescetarianism tied with veganism in men, and surpassed it for women.