Hey Noah, Thanks for your comment. I guess I was asking less about the impact democratic leaders have on climate policy and more about how a warmer, less democratic world could increase the likelihood of an x-risk. Do you have any thoughts on how the things mentioned in your comment may impact x-risks?
Hmm, well, I think once migrant flows become large, the Amazon shrinks enough or Brazil suffers more extreme drought, or the US fails to protect its water supply, that there will be a multitude of knock-on effects involving citizens of those countries. You can extrapolate the general pathway of causes for global citizens.
Thereafter, any scenario in which people carry out actions for our security will involve less certainty. It’s plausible that some actions could lead to human extinction, but are you looking for me to comment with a specific scenario? Your discussion about infohazards leaves me in doubt.
I’m afraid I’m not being clear; does the below at all address your uncertainty?
I just added this edit: Should EA dedicate some resources to reducing our uncertainty on this question? (“This question” referring to would/how much would x-risk increase if the western world was run by Viktor Orbans.)
I’m not a funding decision-maker, far from it. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.
That said, I think your question deserves resources, but I imagine the answer generates rapidly diminishing returns. If you can gather a few reasonable scenarios that show, in step-by-step fashion, how typical “lets wall off and fear the outsiders and hoard resources” sorts of strategies lead to human extinction in a dystopian future of several degrees celsius of global warming, then I think you’re done.
There’s plenty of inspiration in popular media, it would be just a bit of a bore to find the b-movies you need. You can take those movies, and change the narrative to show that, instead of the hero saving the day, the hero’s efforts falter or never happen, and human extinction results. The problem wouldn’t be that the narratives are unrealistic, but rather that they are too limited and don’t consider smaller problems that could still result in massive mismanagement and eventual human extinction.
In a way, the problem of climate change itself started out fairly small, with folks just needing to adopt some sensible measures to prevent a later catastrophe. There was plenty of insight and advance notice, but there needed to be global coordination of efforts, and in particular, leadership from the United States. That leadership collapsed after Jimmy Carter’s presidency, and never returned.
Hey Noah, Thanks for your comment. I guess I was asking less about the impact democratic leaders have on climate policy and more about how a warmer, less democratic world could increase the likelihood of an x-risk. Do you have any thoughts on how the things mentioned in your comment may impact x-risks?
Hmm, well, I think once migrant flows become large, the Amazon shrinks enough or Brazil suffers more extreme drought, or the US fails to protect its water supply, that there will be a multitude of knock-on effects involving citizens of those countries. You can extrapolate the general pathway of causes for global citizens.
Thereafter, any scenario in which people carry out actions for our security will involve less certainty. It’s plausible that some actions could lead to human extinction, but are you looking for me to comment with a specific scenario? Your discussion about infohazards leaves me in doubt.
I’m afraid I’m not being clear; does the below at all address your uncertainty?
I just added this edit: Should EA dedicate some resources to reducing our uncertainty on this question? (“This question” referring to would/how much would x-risk increase if the western world was run by Viktor Orbans.)
I’m not a funding decision-maker, far from it. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear.
That said, I think your question deserves resources, but I imagine the answer generates rapidly diminishing returns. If you can gather a few reasonable scenarios that show, in step-by-step fashion, how typical “lets wall off and fear the outsiders and hoard resources” sorts of strategies lead to human extinction in a dystopian future of several degrees celsius of global warming, then I think you’re done.
There’s plenty of inspiration in popular media, it would be just a bit of a bore to find the b-movies you need. You can take those movies, and change the narrative to show that, instead of the hero saving the day, the hero’s efforts falter or never happen, and human extinction results. The problem wouldn’t be that the narratives are unrealistic, but rather that they are too limited and don’t consider smaller problems that could still result in massive mismanagement and eventual human extinction.
In a way, the problem of climate change itself started out fairly small, with folks just needing to adopt some sensible measures to prevent a later catastrophe. There was plenty of insight and advance notice, but there needed to be global coordination of efforts, and in particular, leadership from the United States. That leadership collapsed after Jimmy Carter’s presidency, and never returned.