I think that this totally misses the point. The point of this post isn’t to inform ACE that some of the things they’ve done seem bad—they are totally aware that some people think this. It’s to inform other people that ACE has behaved badly, in order to pressure ACE and other orgs not to behave similarly in future, and so that other people can (if they want) trust ACE less or be less inclined to support them.
I guess I don’t know OP’s goals but yeah if their goal is to publicly shame ACE then publicly shaming ACE is a good way to accomplish that goal.
My point was a) sending a quick emails to someone about concerns you have with their work often has a very high benefit to cost ratio, and b) despite this, I still regularly talk to people who have concerns about some organization but have not sent them an email.
I think those claims are relatively uncontroversial, but I can say more if you disagree.
The key part of running feedback by an org isn’t to inform the org of the criticism, it’s to hear their point of view, and see whether any events have been misrepresented (from their point of view). And, ideally, to give them a heads up to give a response shortly after the criticism goes up
I think that this totally misses the point. The point of this post isn’t to inform ACE that some of the things they’ve done seem bad—they are totally aware that some people think this. It’s to inform other people that ACE has behaved badly, in order to pressure ACE and other orgs not to behave similarly in future, and so that other people can (if they want) trust ACE less or be less inclined to support them.
I guess I don’t know OP’s goals but yeah if their goal is to publicly shame ACE then publicly shaming ACE is a good way to accomplish that goal.
My point was a) sending a quick emails to someone about concerns you have with their work often has a very high benefit to cost ratio, and b) despite this, I still regularly talk to people who have concerns about some organization but have not sent them an email.
I think those claims are relatively uncontroversial, but I can say more if you disagree.
The key part of running feedback by an org isn’t to inform the org of the criticism, it’s to hear their point of view, and see whether any events have been misrepresented (from their point of view). And, ideally, to give them a heads up to give a response shortly after the criticism goes up
That seems correct, but doesn’t really defend Ben’s point, which is what I was criticizing.