Hey Tyler—I agree that this solves for the case where somebody engages deeply with 80k’s content (System 2 thinking). But unfortunately that is not how most people make decisions and form opinions (System 1 thinking).
The bias here is something like—I am an effective altruist who thinks long and hard about all the opinions I form and decisions I make and therefore that is what everyone else does.
I think 80k needs to either deny or acknowledge that is the reality of the situation.
I just wanted to return to this and say that I think you were directionally correct here and, in light of recent news, recommending jobs at OpenAI in particular was probably a worse mistake than I realized when I wrote my original comment.
Reading the recent discussion about this reminded me of your post, and it’s good to see that 80k has updated somewhat. I still don’t know quite how to feel about the recommendations they’ve left up in infosec and safety, but I think I’m coming around to your POV here.
Hey Tyler—I agree that this solves for the case where somebody engages deeply with 80k’s content (System 2 thinking). But unfortunately that is not how most people make decisions and form opinions (System 1 thinking).
The bias here is something like—I am an effective altruist who thinks long and hard about all the opinions I form and decisions I make and therefore that is what everyone else does.
I think 80k needs to either deny or acknowledge that is the reality of the situation.
Hey yanni,
I just wanted to return to this and say that I think you were directionally correct here and, in light of recent news, recommending jobs at OpenAI in particular was probably a worse mistake than I realized when I wrote my original comment.
Reading the recent discussion about this reminded me of your post, and it’s good to see that 80k has updated somewhat. I still don’t know quite how to feel about the recommendations they’ve left up in infosec and safety, but I think I’m coming around to your POV here.
Hey mate! Lovely to hear from you :)
Yeah I just think that most EAs assume that the message does most of the work in marketing when it is actually the medium: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
I think this is a fair assumption to make if you believe people make decisions extremely rationally.
I basically don’t (I.e. the 80k brand is powering the OpenAI brand through a Halo Effect).
Unfortunately this is really hard to avoid!