I am encouraging you to try to exercise your empathetic muscles and understand the difference for a sexual assault victim to read a top comment that categorically condemns such actions, insisting that we need to do better as a community, compared to one that says “humans are gonna human”.
If someone writes an article about the murder epidemic in New York City, and someone else points out that the NYC murder rate is not at all unusual by U.S. standards, and that murder tends to be common throughout human society, is that a trivializing thing to say?
Your analogy does not share the same relevant features as in this case. We’re not a city, we’re a community. One that should try to be a welcoming space that takes one’s concerns seriously instead of dismissing them because they might not be above the base rate.
Murderers should be removed from society for a long time
NYC should strongly consider taking further action aimed at preventing murder
And they closed with “I am..trying to learn, and I think there are plenty of things EA and rationality could do better on this front.”
FYI that your comment reads as unfair, or bad-faith, or possibly even disingenuous.
It also reads to me as patronizing to women, expecting that they can’t follow the nuance of the discussion and see empathy in kenneko’s comment. It is clearly there. We can still expect that all our members engage in good faith. I’m a sexual assault victim (and of other types of sexual misconduct) and have reported EA-adjacent men who have done troubling things in the community, and I thought kenneko’s comment (this one and the top level one) was great.
NOTE: I also believe you have misused the term sexual assault. We aren’t just talking about sexual assault. We are talking about all types of sexual harrassment and misconduct. For example, I think only one instance mentioned in Time or Bloomberg was assault. I really am hoping people can keep terminology straight, because the classifications exist for reasons.
I am encouraging you to try to exercise your empathetic muscles and understand the difference for a sexual assault victim to read a top comment that categorically condemns such actions, insisting that we need to do better as a community, compared to one that says “humans are gonna human”.
Your analogy does not share the same relevant features as in this case. We’re not a city, we’re a community. One that should try to be a welcoming space that takes one’s concerns seriously instead of dismissing them because they might not be above the base rate.
Hey, fenneko literally included:
Murder is terrible
433 murders is 433 too many
Murderers should be removed from society for a long time
NYC should strongly consider taking further action aimed at preventing murder
And they closed with “I am..trying to learn, and I think there are plenty of things EA and rationality could do better on this front.”
FYI that your comment reads as unfair, or bad-faith, or possibly even disingenuous.
It also reads to me as patronizing to women, expecting that they can’t follow the nuance of the discussion and see empathy in kenneko’s comment. It is clearly there. We can still expect that all our members engage in good faith. I’m a sexual assault victim (and of other types of sexual misconduct) and have reported EA-adjacent men who have done troubling things in the community, and I thought kenneko’s comment (this one and the top level one) was great.
NOTE: I also believe you have misused the term sexual assault. We aren’t just talking about sexual assault. We are talking about all types of sexual harrassment and misconduct. For example, I think only one instance mentioned in Time or Bloomberg was assault. I really am hoping people can keep terminology straight, because the classifications exist for reasons.