>it has assumed with insufficient reason that all abolitionist thinking and approaches are ineffective.
I appreciate this post, but this statement is, IMHO, simply not true. Many of us were “abolitionists” at one point. Many of us have decades of experience and have studied what has and hasn’t moved the needle over the years. See, for example, “The End of Veganism” chapter here.
Hi Matt, thanks for commenting. I think it would be helpful if this disagreement was more specific. I list three reasons in the following sentence, go into detail about the first two reason in posts 3 and 2 respectively.
From reading the chapter you pointed to, it seems like you have had some frustrating experiences with the community, who prioritise purity over effectiveness. I relate, and end up avoiding engaging in those cases.
I address some of the points made in that chapter and more in the 3rd post, except for the old liberation pledge, for which the chapter assigns a pretty uncharitable motivation. Afaict the internal logic (based on the end of foot-binding girls in China) was sensible, whether or not it works is different: even they have realised it doesn’t and have since changed tactics https://paxfauna.org/rethinking-the-liberation-pledge/
Which I think illustrates my overall point: there are advocates out there who are pragmatic, but have an abolitionist-leaning mindset (and sometimes have ideas which are worth considering)
>it has assumed with insufficient reason that all abolitionist thinking and approaches are ineffective.
I appreciate this post, but this statement is, IMHO, simply not true. Many of us were “abolitionists” at one point. Many of us have decades of experience and have studied what has and hasn’t moved the needle over the years. See, for example, “The End of Veganism” chapter here.
Hi Matt, thanks for commenting. I think it would be helpful if this disagreement was more specific. I list three reasons in the following sentence, go into detail about the first two reason in posts 3 and 2 respectively.
From reading the chapter you pointed to, it seems like you have had some frustrating experiences with the community, who prioritise purity over effectiveness. I relate, and end up avoiding engaging in those cases.
I address some of the points made in that chapter and more in the 3rd post, except for the old liberation pledge, for which the chapter assigns a pretty uncharitable motivation. Afaict the internal logic (based on the end of foot-binding girls in China) was sensible, whether or not it works is different: even they have realised it doesn’t and have since changed tactics https://paxfauna.org/rethinking-the-liberation-pledge/
Which I think illustrates my overall point: there are advocates out there who are pragmatic, but have an abolitionist-leaning mindset (and sometimes have ideas which are worth considering)