Ah yeah sorry, the claim of the post you criticized was not that FTX isnât mentioned in the press, but rather that those mentions donât seem to actually have impacted sentiment very much.
I thought when you said âFTX is heavily influencing their opinionâ you were referring to changes in sentiment, but possibly I misunderstood you â if you just mean âjournalists mention it a lotâ then I agree.
You are also welcome to check Twitter mentions or do other analysis of people talking publicly about EA. I donât think this is a âjournalist onlyâ thing. I will take bets you will see a similar pattern.
I actually did that earlier, then realized I should clarify what you were trying to claim. I will copy the results in below, but even though they support the view that FTX was not a huge deal I want to disclaim that this methodology doesnât seem like it actually gets at the important thing.
But anyway, my original comment text:
As a convenience sample I searched twitter for âeffective altruismâ. The first reference to FTX doesnât come until tweet 36, which is a link to this. Honestly it seems mostly like a standard anti-utilitarianism complaint; it feels like FTX isnât actually the crux.
In contrast, I see 3 e/âacc-type criticisms before that, two âI like EA but this AI stuff is too weirdâ things (including one retweeted by Yann LeCun??), two âEA is tech-bro/ânot diverseâ complaints and one thing about Whytham Abbey.
I just tried to reproduce the Twitter datapoint. Here is the first tweet when I sort by most recent:
Most tweets are negative, mostly referring to the OpenAI thing. Among the top 10 I see three references to FTX. This continues to be quite remarkable, especially given that itâs been more than a year, and these tweets are quite short.
I donât know what search you did to find a different pattern. Maybe it was just random chance that I got many more than you did.
Top was mostly showing me tweets from people that I follow, so my sense is it was filtered in a personalized way. I am not fully sure how it works, but it didnât seem the right type of filter.
Yeah, makes sense. Although I just tried doing the âlatestâ sort and went through the top 40 tweets without seeing a reference to FTX/âSBF.
My guess is that this filter just (unsurprisingly) shows you whatever random thing people are talking about on twitter at the moment, and it seems like the random EA-related thing of today is this, which doesnât mention FTX.
Probably you need some longitudinal data to have this be useful.
Ah yeah sorry, the claim of the post you criticized was not that FTX isnât mentioned in the press, but rather that those mentions donât seem to actually have impacted sentiment very much.
I thought when you said âFTX is heavily influencing their opinionâ you were referring to changes in sentiment, but possibly I misunderstood you â if you just mean âjournalists mention it a lotâ then I agree.
You are also welcome to check Twitter mentions or do other analysis of people talking publicly about EA. I donât think this is a âjournalist onlyâ thing. I will take bets you will see a similar pattern.
I actually did that earlier, then realized I should clarify what you were trying to claim. I will copy the results in below, but even though they support the view that FTX was not a huge deal I want to disclaim that this methodology doesnât seem like it actually gets at the important thing.
But anyway, my original comment text:
As a convenience sample I searched twitter for âeffective altruismâ. The first reference to FTX doesnât come until tweet 36, which is a link to this. Honestly it seems mostly like a standard anti-utilitarianism complaint; it feels like FTX isnât actually the crux.
In contrast, I see 3 e/âacc-type criticisms before that, two âI like EA but this AI stuff is too weirdâ things (including one retweeted by Yann LeCun??), two âEA is tech-bro/ânot diverseâ complaints and one thing about Whytham Abbey.
And this (survey discussed/âcriticized here):
I just tried to reproduce the Twitter datapoint. Here is the first tweet when I sort by most recent:
Most tweets are negative, mostly referring to the OpenAI thing. Among the top 10 I see three references to FTX. This continues to be quite remarkable, especially given that itâs been more than a year, and these tweets are quite short.
I donât know what search you did to find a different pattern. Maybe it was just random chance that I got many more than you did.
I used the default sort (âTopâ).
(No opinion on which is more useful; I donât use Twitter much.)
Top was mostly showing me tweets from people that I follow, so my sense is it was filtered in a personalized way. I am not fully sure how it works, but it didnât seem the right type of filter.
Yeah, makes sense. Although I just tried doing the âlatestâ sort and went through the top 40 tweets without seeing a reference to FTX/âSBF.
My guess is that this filter just (unsurprisingly) shows you whatever random thing people are talking about on twitter at the moment, and it seems like the random EA-related thing of today is this, which doesnât mention FTX.
Probably you need some longitudinal data to have this be useful.