It would be great if you could provide evidence (beyond your word) for that! Even saying that you talked to people at OP, or any other epistemic status would be helpful.
I have talked to multiple people at OP and close to OP who seem to agree that OP is very hesitant to fund anything right-coded. The correlations are extremely obvious, Dustin has made relatively concrete statements to this affect, and I really can’t reconcile this kind of extremely sparse and confident public communication with the very obvious and clear feedback I get from people working closely with OP and looking at OPs actual granting track record.
I am also frustrated with then Max giving as a counter-example a Norwegian think tank, which of course has nothing to do with what I meant by left/right coded, since what it means to be right or left coded of course is drastically different in different countries, and the underlying cause here is US political polarization and reputation management, which does not generally extend to foreign countries.
Look, it’s really hard to provide any kind of commentary or transparency on organizations like OP. The communication around the whole Dustin/GV/OP shift has been extremely limited, and the power-dynamics are extremely tense and messy. It really doesn’t help to have someone show up and just plain contradict something I said without any further evidence, arguing purely from authority.
Like, what is the next step of this conversation supposed to be? I have shared my observations, I commented extensively on why I believe what I believe, and I clarified what I mean by my statements in a huge amount of detail, only for you to show up and give a contextless “This is false”. I think it’s useful for you to share what you believe, but I think it’s really clear that in this domain it is extremely rarely appropriate to just make a blanket statement like this. At least say something like “I don’t currently think this is true” as opposed to this weirdly aggressive, authoritative and contextless statement from high up.
Ideally you would say something like “while it is true that OP has become much more hesitant to fund right-leaning political organizations, I think saying that OP does not want to fund ‘anyone even close to right of center’ is too strong. It is true there is a large left-leaning bias, but I think we will see OP overcome those in many cases if something looks good enough by theirs and Dustin’s values, such that describing it as much as a hard line as you are doing here seems more heat than light-producing”.
Like, I am pretty sure you believe something like this, because you are not blind and you see the same evidence as I have, but your comment sure does not communicate that.
Can you be more specific about what right-coded stuff you want OP to fund that they aren’t?
I feel like on the one hand, I have no problem with GV not funding certain right-coded things where I think the ideas are genuinely bad for more or less standard reasons why socially liberal people don’t like right-wing things, and that’s also what GV thinks. But on the other hand, if the issue is (as I somewhat suspect) more like “Dustin doesn’t want to fund stuff that looks bad to influential people in the Democrat party because he doesn’t want to lose influence, regardless of whether he personally thinks that stuff is bad” that seems a lot dodgier.
I suspect that it is either, the second, bad, influence-maxing thing or something else, since I doubt people are actually going to OP demanding funding for HDB-type stuff or “investigate whether women being allowed to have jobs is bad”*. But maybe intelligence enhancement stuff, minus any HBD connection, is a more plausible case of genuine ideological disagreement between GV and people who might want GV funding?
*I’m not making this one up as a real right-Rationalist or former Rationalist take, I saw Roko say it on twitter.
It would be great if you could provide evidence (beyond your word) for that! Even saying that you talked to people at OP, or any other epistemic status would be helpful.
I have talked to multiple people at OP and close to OP who seem to agree that OP is very hesitant to fund anything right-coded. The correlations are extremely obvious, Dustin has made relatively concrete statements to this affect, and I really can’t reconcile this kind of extremely sparse and confident public communication with the very obvious and clear feedback I get from people working closely with OP and looking at OPs actual granting track record.
I am also frustrated with then Max giving as a counter-example a Norwegian think tank, which of course has nothing to do with what I meant by left/right coded, since what it means to be right or left coded of course is drastically different in different countries, and the underlying cause here is US political polarization and reputation management, which does not generally extend to foreign countries.
Look, it’s really hard to provide any kind of commentary or transparency on organizations like OP. The communication around the whole Dustin/GV/OP shift has been extremely limited, and the power-dynamics are extremely tense and messy. It really doesn’t help to have someone show up and just plain contradict something I said without any further evidence, arguing purely from authority.
Like, what is the next step of this conversation supposed to be? I have shared my observations, I commented extensively on why I believe what I believe, and I clarified what I mean by my statements in a huge amount of detail, only for you to show up and give a contextless “This is false”. I think it’s useful for you to share what you believe, but I think it’s really clear that in this domain it is extremely rarely appropriate to just make a blanket statement like this. At least say something like “I don’t currently think this is true” as opposed to this weirdly aggressive, authoritative and contextless statement from high up.
Ideally you would say something like “while it is true that OP has become much more hesitant to fund right-leaning political organizations, I think saying that OP does not want to fund ‘anyone even close to right of center’ is too strong. It is true there is a large left-leaning bias, but I think we will see OP overcome those in many cases if something looks good enough by theirs and Dustin’s values, such that describing it as much as a hard line as you are doing here seems more heat than light-producing”.
Like, I am pretty sure you believe something like this, because you are not blind and you see the same evidence as I have, but your comment sure does not communicate that.
Can you be more specific about what right-coded stuff you want OP to fund that they aren’t?
I feel like on the one hand, I have no problem with GV not funding certain right-coded things where I think the ideas are genuinely bad for more or less standard reasons why socially liberal people don’t like right-wing things, and that’s also what GV thinks. But on the other hand, if the issue is (as I somewhat suspect) more like “Dustin doesn’t want to fund stuff that looks bad to influential people in the Democrat party because he doesn’t want to lose influence, regardless of whether he personally thinks that stuff is bad” that seems a lot dodgier.
I suspect that it is either, the second, bad, influence-maxing thing or something else, since I doubt people are actually going to OP demanding funding for HDB-type stuff or “investigate whether women being allowed to have jobs is bad”*. But maybe intelligence enhancement stuff, minus any HBD connection, is a more plausible case of genuine ideological disagreement between GV and people who might want GV funding?
*I’m not making this one up as a real right-Rationalist or former Rationalist take, I saw Roko say it on twitter.