1B) This leads to the second point. Speaking to people’s emotions and using stories is not lying, even technically :-) Helping people learn more about their own values is what’s at stake. I accept that you have a belief that spreading EA ideas seems like an admirable goal to many people, but it’s not an admirable goal to people who don’t know about EA. So we need to be strategic in how we speak to them.
Anyway, I don’t think a further continuation of this conversation is productive. I have had these conversations with many folks on this forum, you can read my past posts. We may have different perspectives on the best way to approach the same goals, so let’s just focus on our broader shared values, and leave each of us to do the best we can to advance human flourishing.
1A) The example of Giving Games seems to confound your hypothesis, and I am convinced by it: http://www.thelifeyoucansave.org/Blog/ID/196/Can-Giving-Games-change-donor-behavior-We-did-an-experiment-to-find-out Essentially, Giving Games help people realize their own values, through putting them before a real choice, one that is emotionally engaging and forces them to think through the situation.
1B) This leads to the second point. Speaking to people’s emotions and using stories is not lying, even technically :-) Helping people learn more about their own values is what’s at stake. I accept that you have a belief that spreading EA ideas seems like an admirable goal to many people, but it’s not an admirable goal to people who don’t know about EA. So we need to be strategic in how we speak to them.
Anyway, I don’t think a further continuation of this conversation is productive. I have had these conversations with many folks on this forum, you can read my past posts. We may have different perspectives on the best way to approach the same goals, so let’s just focus on our broader shared values, and leave each of us to do the best we can to advance human flourishing.