I think being hostile was probably slightly too strong, though I will note that the original comment still has positive upvotes / many agree votes, but no other people defending this position in the comments, which is concerning, and mostly CE staff and incubatees responding
I will note that the original comment still has positive upvotes
I (and others) have strongly upvoted it because (especially post-FTX[1]) it’s important to encourage people to share concerns about unethical behavior from influential people in the ecosystem, it’s not an indication of agreement.
Agree-votes do convey a lot of information, and I’m surprised that nobody else is defending this position in the comments, given 7 people agree with you.
I found one of the examples here very unpersuasive: I read this report years ago and I distinctly remember it was very clear that it was meant to “get a quick sense of things”, only had a few hours of research behind it, and wasn’t meant to pass any kind of rigorous research. It was the first thing I read about animal welfare and it was enlightening, I’m grateful that they published it. Here is the first paragraph:
After spending considerable time on creating the best system we could for evaluating animal welfare, we applied this system to 15 different animals/breeds. This included 6 types of wild animal and 7 types of farm animal environments, as well as 2 human conditions for baseline comparisons. This was far from a complete list, but it gave us enough information to get a sense of the different conditions. Each report was limited to 2-5 hours with pre-set evaluation criteria (as seen in this post), a 1-page summary, and a section of rough notes (generally in the 5-10 page range). Each summary report was read by 8 raters (3 from the internal CE research team, 5 external to the CE team). The average weightings and ranges in the spreadsheet below are generated by averaging the assessments of these raters.
(I am not affiliated with CE, but it would be important for me to know if their research was bad)
I think being hostile was probably slightly too strong, though I will note that the original comment still has positive upvotes / many agree votes, but no other people defending this position in the comments, which is concerning, and mostly CE staff and incubatees responding
Thank you for clarifying!
I (and others) have strongly upvoted it because (especially post-FTX[1]) it’s important to encourage people to share concerns about unethical behavior from influential people in the ecosystem, it’s not an indication of agreement.
Agree-votes do convey a lot of information, and I’m surprised that nobody else is defending this position in the comments, given 7 people agree with you.
I found one of the examples here very unpersuasive: I read this report years ago and I distinctly remember it was very clear that it was meant to “get a quick sense of things”, only had a few hours of research behind it, and wasn’t meant to pass any kind of rigorous research. It was the first thing I read about animal welfare and it was enlightening, I’m grateful that they published it. Here is the first paragraph:
(I am not affiliated with CE, but it would be important for me to know if their research was bad)
and, less so, post-OCB, post-Leverage, post-CFAR, …