Almost the entire question, for resolving either of these issues, is working out whether these premises are really true or not
Exactly. What I try to point to is that EA as movement has not engaged in working out whether degrowth is desirable or not. I don’t say anything about the conclusions—in part because I myself am not clear. I actually believe it is extremely difficult to get a clear answer so I would expect a lot of nuance.
OK, but this post is about drawing an analogy between the degrowth debate and the AI pause debate, and I don’t see the analogy. Do you disagree with my argument for why they aren’t analogous?
If I understood you well, yes, I disagree. EAs at large basically do not enter the degrowth debate. They act a bit like LeCuns of the degrowth debate, sort to say.
Maybe what I mean is more meta than what you are referring to?
EAs complain that many people just disregard the dangers of AI by saying something in the lines of “AI development is good and stopping it is anyway impossible”, or “we will manage the issues”, etc. And what I mean is that EAs do/have done the same kind of things with growth.
Exactly. What I try to point to is that EA as movement has not engaged in working out whether degrowth is desirable or not. I don’t say anything about the conclusions—in part because I myself am not clear. I actually believe it is extremely difficult to get a clear answer so I would expect a lot of nuance.
OK, but this post is about drawing an analogy between the degrowth debate and the AI pause debate, and I don’t see the analogy. Do you disagree with my argument for why they aren’t analogous?
If I understood you well, yes, I disagree. EAs at large basically do not enter the degrowth debate. They act a bit like LeCuns of the degrowth debate, sort to say.
Maybe what I mean is more meta than what you are referring to?
EAs complain that many people just disregard the dangers of AI by saying something in the lines of “AI development is good and stopping it is anyway impossible”, or “we will manage the issues”, etc. And what I mean is that EAs do/have done the same kind of things with growth.