I have slightly complex thoughts about the “is 80k endorsing OpenAI?” question.
I’m generally on the side of “let people make individual statements without treating it as a blanket endorsement.”
In practice, I think the job postings will be read as an endorsement by many (most?) people. But I think the overall policy of “social-pressure people to stop making statements that could be read as endorsements” is net harmful.
I think you should at least be acknowledging the implication-of-endorsement as a cost you are paying.
I’m a bit confused about how to think about it here, because I do think listing people on the job site, with the sorts of phrasing you use, feels more like some sort of standard corporate political move than a purely epistemic move.
I do want to distinguish the question of “how does this job-ad funnel social status around?” from “does this job-ad communicate clearly?”. I think it’s still bad to force people only speak words that can’t be inaccurately read into, but, I think this is an important enough area to put extra effort in.
An accurate job posting, IMO, would say “OpenAI-in-particular has demonstrated that they do not follow through on safety promises, and we’ve seen people leave due to not feeling effectual.”
I think you maybe both disagree with that object level fact (if so, I think you are wrong, and this is important), as well as, well, that’d be a hell of a weird job ad. Part of why I am arguing here is I think it looks, from the outside, like 80k is playing a slightly confused mix of relating to orgs politically and making epistemic recommendations.
I kind of expect at this point you to leave the job ad up, and maybe change the disclaimer slightly in a way that is leaves some sort of plausibly-deniable veneer.
I have slightly complex thoughts about the “is 80k endorsing OpenAI?” question.
I’m generally on the side of “let people make individual statements without treating it as a blanket endorsement.”
In practice, I think the job postings will be read as an endorsement by many (most?) people. But I think the overall policy of “social-pressure people to stop making statements that could be read as endorsements” is net harmful.
I think you should at least be acknowledging the implication-of-endorsement as a cost you are paying.
I’m a bit confused about how to think about it here, because I do think listing people on the job site, with the sorts of phrasing you use, feels more like some sort of standard corporate political move than a purely epistemic move.
I do want to distinguish the question of “how does this job-ad funnel social status around?” from “does this job-ad communicate clearly?”. I think it’s still bad to force people only speak words that can’t be inaccurately read into, but, I think this is an important enough area to put extra effort in.
An accurate job posting, IMO, would say “OpenAI-in-particular has demonstrated that they do not follow through on safety promises, and we’ve seen people leave due to not feeling effectual.”
I think you maybe both disagree with that object level fact (if so, I think you are wrong, and this is important), as well as, well, that’d be a hell of a weird job ad. Part of why I am arguing here is I think it looks, from the outside, like 80k is playing a slightly confused mix of relating to orgs politically and making epistemic recommendations.
I kind of expect at this point you to leave the job ad up, and maybe change the disclaimer slightly in a way that is leaves some sort of plausibly-deniable veneer.