Although I agree with pretty much all he writes, I feel like a crucial piece on the FTX case is missing: it’s not only the failure of some individuals to exercise reasonable humility and abide by common sense virtues. It’s also a failure by the community, its infrastructure, and processes to identify and correct this problem.
(The section on SBF starts with “When EAs Have Too Much Confidence”.)
If we have another major donor with a more mysterious financial background than mine, we should totally pressure them to undergo an audit!
That said, I’m not convinced the next scandal will look anything like that, and the real problem to me was the lack of smoking guns. It’s very hard to remove someone from power without that, as we’ve recently observed with sama, and continuously observe with Elon.
So the upshot is my prediction is we will again fail to identify and correct possible scandals, and I’m not sure we should beat ourselves up about it as much as we do. My post was more meant to soften the ground on that likely outcome so that we don’t see it as a fatally damning tragedy when it happens, for EA or any other movement.
Although I agree with pretty much all he writes, I feel like a crucial piece on the FTX case is missing: it’s not only the failure of some individuals to exercise reasonable humility and abide by common sense virtues. It’s also a failure by the community, its infrastructure, and processes to identify and correct this problem.
(The section on SBF starts with “When EAs Have Too Much Confidence”.)
I don’t feel I have much to say about that tbh, though I did talk about auditing financials here https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/eRyC6FtN7QEkDEwMD/should-we-audit-dustin-moskovitz?commentId=qEzHRDMqfR5fJngoo
If we have another major donor with a more mysterious financial background than mine, we should totally pressure them to undergo an audit!
That said, I’m not convinced the next scandal will look anything like that, and the real problem to me was the lack of smoking guns. It’s very hard to remove someone from power without that, as we’ve recently observed with sama, and continuously observe with Elon.
So the upshot is my prediction is we will again fail to identify and correct possible scandals, and I’m not sure we should beat ourselves up about it as much as we do. My post was more meant to soften the ground on that likely outcome so that we don’t see it as a fatally damning tragedy when it happens, for EA or any other movement.