I think this is sad, and doesn’t bode well for the future of the movement. I understand legal risk is scary, but we should be doing some collective soul searching as a community, with more openness and transparency in our communications (including—or perhaps especially(!) -- from leaders), and less Ra (arguably it was, ironically, too much worrying about prestige and PR that got us into this mess in the first place!) EDIT to add: staying silent, whist legally safer in most cases, is also a statement (which can be interpreted in multiple ways).
This doesn’t seem like a very empathetic response to me, and doesn’t really respond to the two main issues Shakeel notes (that everyone is navigating legal issues and continuing to gather information). There will be plenty of time for open soul-searching, individually and as a community, once the situation has somewhat stabilized.
Apologies if it comes across that way; as I say, I understand that legal risk is scary, and can empathise there (speaking from experience). But many people, both inside and outside the EA community, have a lot of questions, and there is a lot of speculation; blanks will be filled in as best they can in the absence of leaders speaking, for better or worse. Are leaders/orgs putting their own reputations first, or the future of the EA movement and what it hopes to achieve? OP says “short term”, but what exactly is the timescale? How much information gathering is enough information gathering? I’m pessimistic about it being any time soon given the groundwork laid out here. If the timescale for speaking is tied to court proceedings in the FTX bankruptcy/fraud cases, that is likely going to be years! Can we wait that long for any course corrections that are needed? Or is the idea to hope things blow over and carry on largely as we were?
arguably it was, ironically, too much worrying about prestige and PR that got us into this mess in the first place
I’d be curious to hear more about this. Do you mean that EAs wanting to get good press caused or contributed to SBF committing fraud? Or that it caused/contributed to EA being tightly associated with FTX? Or something else?
I was thinking more of what happened at Alameda in 2018, and why (especially if the serious allegations—about SBF nefariously cutting people out of agreed legal ownership of the company—are true) it was (metaphorically) brushed under the carpet.
I think this is sad, and doesn’t bode well for the future of the movement. I understand legal risk is scary, but we should be doing some collective soul searching as a community, with more openness and transparency in our communications (including—or perhaps especially(!) -- from leaders), and less Ra (arguably it was, ironically, too much worrying about prestige and PR that got us into this mess in the first place!) EDIT to add: staying silent, whist legally safer in most cases, is also a statement (which can be interpreted in multiple ways).
Related to this, I applaud Habryka for speaking out [see bottom para.], and wish more people would do the same.
This doesn’t seem like a very empathetic response to me, and doesn’t really respond to the two main issues Shakeel notes (that everyone is navigating legal issues and continuing to gather information). There will be plenty of time for open soul-searching, individually and as a community, once the situation has somewhat stabilized.
Apologies if it comes across that way; as I say, I understand that legal risk is scary, and can empathise there (speaking from experience). But many people, both inside and outside the EA community, have a lot of questions, and there is a lot of speculation; blanks will be filled in as best they can in the absence of leaders speaking, for better or worse. Are leaders/orgs putting their own reputations first, or the future of the EA movement and what it hopes to achieve? OP says “short term”, but what exactly is the timescale? How much information gathering is enough information gathering? I’m pessimistic about it being any time soon given the groundwork laid out here. If the timescale for speaking is tied to court proceedings in the FTX bankruptcy/fraud cases, that is likely going to be years! Can we wait that long for any course corrections that are needed? Or is the idea to hope things blow over and carry on largely as we were?
I’d be curious to hear more about this. Do you mean that EAs wanting to get good press caused or contributed to SBF committing fraud? Or that it caused/contributed to EA being tightly associated with FTX? Or something else?
I was thinking more of what happened at Alameda in 2018, and why (especially if the serious allegations—about SBF nefariously cutting people out of agreed legal ownership of the company—are true) it was (metaphorically) brushed under the carpet.