I am very surprised by the warm reception to this post. To my mind, this is exactly the type of rhetoric we should be discouraging on the Forums. It’s insinuating all kinds of scandals
(I am tired of drama, scandals, and PR. I am tired of being in a position where I have to apologize for sexism, racism, and other toxic ideologies within this movement)
without making any specific allegations or points, which becomes somehow acceptable within the emotional frame of “I am TIRED.” Presumably many other people, including those directly impacted by these things, are tired too, and we need to use reason to adjudicate how we should respond.
I had a negative reaction to the post but felt hesitant to reply because of the emotional content. It does suck what the OP is experiencing—I think they (and others) could make less of their identity be about the EA movement and that this would be a good thing. I don’t like that ‘small-scale EA community builders’ are having to apologise for things others into EA have done or having to spend time figuring out how to react to EA drama. That does seem like a waste of time and emotional energy, and also unnecessary.
Unfortunately, issues like the FTX debacle or the Bostrom stuff recently might be a significant amount of a prospective EA’s experience about EA because other aspects may not have penetrated to his/her news sources. Even a small-scale community builder might want some good answers in the face of troubling news one has been in contact with.
Fairs. I think in FTX worlds, it should actually be in fact harder to get people who strongly dislike fraud to get on board with EA and in Bostrom email worlds, it should actually be in fact harder to get people who strongly dislike the apology to get on board with EA. And that this difficulty, to the extent we care about people turned off by either event having favourable opinion of EA, is actually right and just.
I am very surprised by the warm reception to this post. To my mind, this is exactly the type of rhetoric we should be discouraging on the Forums. It’s insinuating all kinds of scandals
without making any specific allegations or points, which becomes somehow acceptable within the emotional frame of “I am TIRED.” Presumably many other people, including those directly impacted by these things, are tired too, and we need to use reason to adjudicate how we should respond.
I had a negative reaction to the post but felt hesitant to reply because of the emotional content. It does suck what the OP is experiencing—I think they (and others) could make less of their identity be about the EA movement and that this would be a good thing. I don’t like that ‘small-scale EA community builders’ are having to apologise for things others into EA have done or having to spend time figuring out how to react to EA drama. That does seem like a waste of time and emotional energy, and also unnecessary.
Unfortunately, issues like the FTX debacle or the Bostrom stuff recently might be a significant amount of a prospective EA’s experience about EA because other aspects may not have penetrated to his/her news sources. Even a small-scale community builder might want some good answers in the face of troubling news one has been in contact with.
Fairs. I think in FTX worlds, it should actually be in fact harder to get people who strongly dislike fraud to get on board with EA and in Bostrom email worlds, it should actually be in fact harder to get people who strongly dislike the apology to get on board with EA. And that this difficulty, to the extent we care about people turned off by either event having favourable opinion of EA, is actually right and just.