I regard “open borders” in the same category of as discussion about -isms, totally useless. In the US political context “open borders” is used to as a scare tactic. Which is why I regard the term as propaganda . (I am not imputing motive to you)
It is much better to talk specific numbers. US on average has been gaining 1 million residents a year for the last 20 years, and this is showing signs of slowing down. On the margin this can be changed with immigration policy. Overall though the long term trend is for people choosing to stay in their home countries as they get better educated and as their demographics change.
looking at the numbers does not do a great job of determining how natives will perceive and react to things
Perceptions are different from reality as you point out. Let’s not reinforce the false perception by using loaded words.
The condition where the state does not exercise controls on immigration in a meaningful practical sense.
By that definition I cannot think of countries that have open borders in recent history (say last 50 years). We should also look at it from the demand side, if any western country had open borders its population could double within a year, this is beyond the realm of possibility.
In recent times the highest immigration that was accepted was Germany in 2013-2018 time they accepted .7% of their population every year. In US it is .37% and that level has been declining. USA has solid control of immigration, to the point where expected wait times for getting a green card is in the order of decades for some countries. (Discrimination by country of origin is built into US law and has always been)
US on average has been gaining 1 million residents a year for the last 20 years, and this is showing signs of slowing down.
I have not assumed that the rate of immigration to the US has been increasing.
Overall though the long term trend is for people choosing to stay in their home countries as they get better educated and as their demographics change.
I would like to see evidence that demand to immigrate to the US is falling, and in any case, it will continue to greatly exceed the capacity that is allocated through legal mechanisms.
Perceptions are different from reality as you point out.
Which is why it is not “much better to talk specific numbers” as you claim. You are taking us back in a circle.
Let’s not reinforce the false perception by using loaded words.
I communicate accurate ideas by using accurate words. For what it’s worth, I don’t find “open borders” to be a loaded term. Especially not when there is a new book called Open Borders which explicitly argues that ‘open borders’ are a good thing and is selling tons of copies and getting great reviews. And when open borders advocates have openly called for ‘open borders’ and made websites titled ‘Open Borders’ and so on.
By that definition I cannot think of countries that have open borders in recent history
Indeed. Open borders would be an unprecedented policy development in the current period. As a matter of political reality, FPGen’s recommendations for immigration are unlikely to all be implemented, but I wanted to respond comprehensively to their ideas.
“Open Borders Inc.: Who’s Funding America’s Destruction? by Michelle Malkin published in September, 2019” “America First: Why Americans Must End Free Trade, Stop Outsourcing and Close Our Open Borders by Paul Streitz published in 2006″
The assumption in those two books being that US already has open borders, which is why I say it is a loaded word.
I use loaded words only when people describe themselves in that way. I would not use it for FPGen but would use it in context when discussing “Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration Paperback – October 29, 2019 by Bryan Caplan” here authors themselves choose to describe their views as “open borders”
For FPGen it is your opinion that their policies constitute “open borders” as you wrote before “Decriminalization doesn’t necessarily mean open borders, but in concert with the other proposals here, I think it effectively would.”
I would like to see evidence that demand to immigrate to the US is falling,
I also gave you specific reasons of why this is happening repeating myself “Mexico is an upper middle income country with fertility rate is 2.2, in addition women aged 15-24 are finishing 11.3 years of schooling. Mexicans are relatively content to stay in Mexico. This is similar to immigration trajectories of Ireland, UK, Japan etc.. etc..”
it will continue to greatly exceed the capacity that is allocated through legal mechanisms.
So overall immigration is solidly under control in USA, whether it should be higher or lower is another debate, and its pointless to discuss “open borders” because such a policy is not being advocated by anyone with even a remote chance of coming to power.
I would not use it for FPGen but would use it in context when discussing “Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration Paperback – October 29, 2019 by Bryan Caplan” here authors themselves choose to describe their views as “open borders”
This is the book that many more people around here (including myself) are familiar with.
I already gave you data about undocumented mexican immigrant numbers falling,
The number in the US is affected by many factors including border security, so it is not a good way of discussing the number of potential people who might migrate depending on different policies for border security.
I also gave you specific reasons of why this is happening
They are not reliable evidence. I was hoping for solid specific analysis predicting immigration trends.
repeating myself “Mexico is an upper middle income country
The income gap between the US and Mexico is has been growing over the last few decades, no one knows quite what the future holds for these economies, and I’m not sure what the income-immigration connection really is.
with fertility rate is 2.2,
How does a fertility rate of 2.2 imply that demand to emigrate to the US will decrease?
in addition women aged 15-24 are finishing 11.3 years of schooling.
I’m not sure what the education-immigration connection really is. Or what is even different about this from the past.
Mexicans are relatively content to stay in Mexico.
According to...?
This is similar to immigration trajectories of Ireland, UK, Japan etc.. etc..”
Mexico will not be like these countries anytime soon.
I prefer to see numbers, not just words.
150 million is the number of people who would like to emigrate to the US. 5 million of them are in Mexico.
And note that Mexicans are not even half of the US illegal immigrant population.
Does not change the fact that the number of those who wish to emigrate (and who may attempt it illegally) exceed the capacity that is allocated through legal mechanisms.
So overall immigration is solidly under control in USA,
It’s very odd that you say this right after presenting evidence that the status quo is being perceived and discussed by people on the American right as a condition of open borders.
I don’t think you’ve properly recognized the fact that I am discussing political perceptions and responses to the state of the border rather than making a moral claim about whether I want more immigration.
its pointless to discuss “open borders” because such a policy is not being advocated by anyone with even a remote chance of coming to power.
Most of FPGen’s immigration recommendations are being advocated by some major Democratic politicians, including presidential candidates.
Emigration is related to income level of country. The highest levels of emigration are in middle income countries because they have ability (money) and desire to emigrate, for poor countries lack of awareness and lack of money are barriers, for richer countries they don’t find uprooting themselves worth it. Mexico has passed the point of peak emigration.
According to...?
All the data+papers presented before and in this post.
How does a fertility rate of 2.2 imply that demand to emigrate to the US will decrease?
The obvious, the number of kids being born in Mexico peaked in 1994 at 2.9 million and has fallen to 2.16 million births in 2018. If emigration rates remain same we can expect lower number of Mexicans trying to emigrate. (And we know that the rate of emigration itself has fallen).
When fertility rates fall, the pulls of home country are greater for emigres as parents age, + parents are less enthusiastic about kids emigrating in the first place.
While values like equality, tolerance, and transparency may often be associated with Sweden’s reputation abroad, Rosling argues such values aren’t actually Swedish.
“There is no such thing as Swedish values. Those are modern values,”
Mexico like Sweden, UK, Japan etc is becoming a modern country, more correctly described as a country with educated population.
150 million is the number of people who would like to emigrate to the US. 5 million of them are in Mexico.
Wishlists and new years resolutions are not worth discussing seriously.
Of the roughly 630 million of the world’s adults who desire to move to other countries, less than one-tenth of them—about 48 million adults—tell Gallup they are planning to move in the next 12 months. Less than half of those who are planning to move—about 19 million adults—are taking necessary steps such as applying for visas or residency and purchasing tickets.
Since the article is 8 years old, one can look at and see how much of it comes true, in the last 8 years 1 million immigrants per year were added. Around 5% of those wishing to move to US actually moved.
Does not change the fact that the number of those who wish to emigrate (and who may attempt it illegally)
I already discussed why wishes are not that important. As far as action of trying to cross the border illegally. We have data on it. The number of Mexicans attempting to cross the border illegally has crashed from a high of 1.615 million in 2000 to 152,257 in 2018, the long term trend is clear Mexican emigration has peaked.
Most of FPGen’s immigration recommendations are being advocated by some major Democratic politicians, including presidential candidates.
That maybe true. However neither FPGen or Democrats are advocating open borders, I doubt that even under the least restrictive proposals US net immigration will exceed 1 million average over the next 20 years.
It’s very odd that you say this right after presenting evidence that the status quo is being perceived and discussed by people on the American right as a condition of open borders.
I have no interest in the perceptions and discussions by people on the American right when they are clearing wrong in their perceptions. I just ignore them.
I look for universal definitions, open borders means that anyone can come and live in USA. This is clearly not true today and was not has not been true for 100+ years.
I don’t think you’ve properly recognized the fact that I am discussing political perceptions and responses to the state of the border rather than making a moral claim about whether I want more immigration.
I did not assume anything about your position on immigration. However I think you are wrong in assuming that FPGen webpage on immigration is in support or constitutes “open borders”
Mexico’s GDP per capita and Gini coefficient have been about constant for the past decade. I can’t find evidence on changes in college education attainment. So it’s not apparent that they are pushing forward along this transition. Moreover, Mexico only constitutes ~half of illegal immigration, and many Latin American countries are poorer (in fact they are behind the $6k transition peak).
All the data+papers presented before and in this post.
None of them asked Mexican people how content they are to stay or immigrate.
The obvious, the number of kids being born in Mexico peaked in 1994 at 2.9 million and has fallen to 2.16 million births in 2018. If emigration rates remain same we can expect lower number of Mexicans trying to emigrate.
Mexico’s population is still growing. So if the emigration rate per 1000 people remains constant, the number of annual emigres will grow year over year, just at a lower rate than it would grow if fertility were higher.
When fertility rates fall, the pulls of home country are greater for emigres as parents age, + parents are less enthusiastic about kids emigrating in the first place.
Please provide a source. It may be the case that people with aging families to support desire to emigrate in order to send remittances.
Mexican emigration has gone down similar to Ireland, Japan, UK etc
It is still a vastly different country.
Around 5% of those wishing to move to US actually moved.
And many more tried to move but were apprehended at the border, or chose not to move because they were afraid of being apprehended at the border or otherwise policed.
The number of Mexicans attempting to cross the border illegally has crashed from a high of 1.615 million in 2000 to 152,257 in 2018
You’re confusing apprehensions with crossing attempts and neglecting to mention the increase in apprehensions of non-Mexican migrants.
However neither FPGen or Democrats are advocating open borders, I doubt that even under the least restrictive proposals US net immigration will exceed 1 million average over the next 20 years
Whether or not a country has open borders is not a question of the quantity of immigrants who enter the country.
I just ignore them.
Fine, but don’t then tell me I’m wrong when I’m not.
Second of all, the American right-wing is correct when they perceive that America fails to reliably control the southern border or police the undocumented migrant population.
I look for universal definitions, open borders means that anyone can come and live in USA
That’s probably what would happen here: assuming that you make it to the border, then CBP will not have the power to detain you, ICE will not exist, you will be “legally protected,” you will not have a criminal record, and you will have a “pathway to citizenship.”
I can’t find evidence on changes in college education attainment. So it’s not apparent that they are pushing forward along this transition.
I am not sure why college education is so important. Their education levels have been consistently increasing as I pointed to earlier. repeating education graphic AGAIN
Given their increases in education, it is a good assumption to make that their college level education is also increasing.
None of them asked Mexican people how content they are to stay or immigrate.
I presented actual data on total mexican immigrants, and undocumented mexican immigrants. Given this hard data on actual migration opinion polls have very little relevance
Mexico’s population is still growing. So if the emigration rate per 1000 people remains constant, the number of annual emigres will grow year over year, just at a lower rate than it would grow if fertility were higher.
Repeating AGAIN net immigration from Mexico in the last 10 years in negative. There is no increase in number of emigres. There has been a DECREASE.
It may be the case that people with aging families to support desire to emigrate in order to send remittances.
Dont speculate. When fertility rate falls to replacement or close to it, when they are Upper Middle Income like Mexico is, the problem is not money, it is time spent with family.
Moreover, Mexico only constitutes ~half of illegal immigration
This is because population of undocumented mexican immigrants decreased from 6.9 to 4.9 million, while that of other countries stayed basically flat changing from 5.3 million to 5.5 million
“Around 5% of those wishing to move to US actually moved.”
And many more tried to move but were apprehended at the border, or chose not to move because they were afraid of being apprehended at the border or otherwise policed.
AGAIN mexican immigrants in US is net negative over the last 10 years. We are talking about worldwide immigration to USA not just about southern border. When people arrive by air the policing on the border is not relevant. Latin amercian immigration was only about a third in the years 2010-2017, the rest was from all over the world and visa overstays are the issue there
Finally it is not just US policies that effect how many people come in, it is also fundamentally about the how well the sending countries are doing. In general life is much better in the sending countries and US will see a drop off in number of immigrants coming in.
You’re confusing apprehensions with crossing attempts and neglecting to mention the increase in apprehensions of non-Mexican migrants.
I explicitly talked about non-mexican immigrants and assumed 3.2 million of them would make it into the USA in the next 10 years. Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador are are behind in terms of education and as it changes over the next decade the number of people emigrating will start to fall.
Second of all, the American right-wing is correct when they perceive that America fails to reliably control the southern border or police the undocumented migrant population.
Between 2010-17 1.6 immigrants from latin america (excluding mexico) came in, this is 250,000 a year or .1% of US population per year, which is reasonable control of border given the enormous size of US border, the vast income and social disparities between US and the southern countries.
even so the right says US has open borders, which is laughable.
“I look for universal definitions, open borders means that anyone can come and live in USA”
That’s probably what would happen here: assuming that you make it to the border, then CBP will not have the power to detain you, ICE will not exist, you will be “legally protected,” you will not have a criminal record, and you will have a “pathway to citizenship.”
Like I said I look for universal definitions, if there was an open border, then there would be no work/tourist visas, you can just come and work or play or visit, path to citizenship would not matter (why bother?), nobody would need to make it to the border, they would just take a flight in.
No matter who becomes president or how congress/senate changes I expect immigrants in US to increase by less than 1 million a year which is .31% of population this is hardly a disaster or emergency, or open borders, or lack of control.
I regard “open borders” in the same category of as discussion about -isms, totally useless. In the US political context “open borders” is used to as a scare tactic. Which is why I regard the term as propaganda . (I am not imputing motive to you)
It is much better to talk specific numbers. US on average has been gaining 1 million residents a year for the last 20 years, and this is showing signs of slowing down. On the margin this can be changed with immigration policy. Overall though the long term trend is for people choosing to stay in their home countries as they get better educated and as their demographics change.
Perceptions are different from reality as you point out. Let’s not reinforce the false perception by using loaded words.
By that definition I cannot think of countries that have open borders in recent history (say last 50 years). We should also look at it from the demand side, if any western country had open borders its population could double within a year, this is beyond the realm of possibility.
In recent times the highest immigration that was accepted was Germany in 2013-2018 time they accepted .7% of their population every year. In US it is .37% and that level has been declining. USA has solid control of immigration, to the point where expected wait times for getting a green card is in the order of decades for some countries. (Discrimination by country of origin is built into US law and has always been)
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2020/visa-bulletin-for-february-2020.html
I have not assumed that the rate of immigration to the US has been increasing.
I would like to see evidence that demand to immigrate to the US is falling, and in any case, it will continue to greatly exceed the capacity that is allocated through legal mechanisms.
Which is why it is not “much better to talk specific numbers” as you claim. You are taking us back in a circle.
I communicate accurate ideas by using accurate words. For what it’s worth, I don’t find “open borders” to be a loaded term. Especially not when there is a new book called Open Borders which explicitly argues that ‘open borders’ are a good thing and is selling tons of copies and getting great reviews. And when open borders advocates have openly called for ‘open borders’ and made websites titled ‘Open Borders’ and so on.
Indeed. Open borders would be an unprecedented policy development in the current period. As a matter of political reality, FPGen’s recommendations for immigration are unlikely to all be implemented, but I wanted to respond comprehensively to their ideas.
I live in a very liberal part of USA. I searched for “Open Borders” in my local library and found 3 books.
First a children’s book which can be ignored.
“Open Borders Inc.: Who’s Funding America’s Destruction? by Michelle Malkin published in September, 2019” “America First: Why Americans Must End Free Trade, Stop Outsourcing and Close Our Open Borders by Paul Streitz published in 2006″
The assumption in those two books being that US already has open borders, which is why I say it is a loaded word.
FPgen does not use the words “Open Borders”, they don’t even have a position paper just a list of things they want.https://www.fpgen.org/policies/fixing-the-broken-immigration-system
I use loaded words only when people describe themselves in that way. I would not use it for FPGen but would use it in context when discussing “Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration Paperback – October 29, 2019 by Bryan Caplan” here authors themselves choose to describe their views as “open borders”
For FPGen it is your opinion that their policies constitute “open borders” as you wrote before “Decriminalization doesn’t necessarily mean open borders, but in concert with the other proposals here, I think it effectively would.”
I already gave you data about undocumented mexican immigrant numbers falling, total number of mexican immigrants has also fallen https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
I also gave you specific reasons of why this is happening repeating myself “Mexico is an upper middle income country with fertility rate is 2.2, in addition women aged 15-24 are finishing 11.3 years of schooling. Mexicans are relatively content to stay in Mexico. This is similar to immigration trajectories of Ireland, UK, Japan etc.. etc..”
I prefer to see numbers, not just words. Total number of undocumented immigrants went down in the last 10 years https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/12/how-pew-research-center-counts-unauthorized-immigrants-in-us/
So overall immigration is solidly under control in USA, whether it should be higher or lower is another debate, and its pointless to discuss “open borders” because such a policy is not being advocated by anyone with even a remote chance of coming to power.
This is the book that many more people around here (including myself) are familiar with.
The number in the US is affected by many factors including border security, so it is not a good way of discussing the number of potential people who might migrate depending on different policies for border security.
They are not reliable evidence. I was hoping for solid specific analysis predicting immigration trends.
The income gap between the US and Mexico is has been growing over the last few decades, no one knows quite what the future holds for these economies, and I’m not sure what the income-immigration connection really is.
How does a fertility rate of 2.2 imply that demand to emigrate to the US will decrease?
I’m not sure what the education-immigration connection really is. Or what is even different about this from the past.
According to...?
Mexico will not be like these countries anytime soon.
150 million is the number of people who would like to emigrate to the US. 5 million of them are in Mexico.
And note that Mexicans are not even half of the US illegal immigrant population.
Does not change the fact that the number of those who wish to emigrate (and who may attempt it illegally) exceed the capacity that is allocated through legal mechanisms.
It’s very odd that you say this right after presenting evidence that the status quo is being perceived and discussed by people on the American right as a condition of open borders.
I don’t think you’ve properly recognized the fact that I am discussing political perceptions and responses to the state of the border rather than making a moral claim about whether I want more immigration.
Most of FPGen’s immigration recommendations are being advocated by some major Democratic politicians, including presidential candidates.
Migration and Development: Dissecting the Anatomy of the Mobility Transition
The Hypothesis of the Mobility Transition by Wilbur Zelinsky (1971)
Emigration is related to income level of country. The highest levels of emigration are in middle income countries because they have ability (money) and desire to emigrate, for poor countries lack of awareness and lack of money are barriers, for richer countries they don’t find uprooting themselves worth it. Mexico has passed the point of peak emigration.
All the data+papers presented before and in this post.
The obvious, the number of kids being born in Mexico peaked in 1994 at 2.9 million and has fallen to 2.16 million births in 2018. If emigration rates remain same we can expect lower number of Mexicans trying to emigrate. (And we know that the rate of emigration itself has fallen).
When fertility rates fall, the pulls of home country are greater for emigres as parents age, + parents are less enthusiastic about kids emigrating in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Mexico#Registered_births_and_deaths
Mexico was a much less educated country, and that is the different now from its past.
Education drives down fertility, increases health, income. Overall reduces desire to emigrate permanently.
Mexican emigration has gone down similar to Ireland, Japan, UK etc..
It is converging in terms of fertility, life expectancy, and education
From Hans Rosling: ‘No such thing as Swedish values’
Mexico like Sweden, UK, Japan etc is becoming a modern country, more correctly described as a country with educated population.
Wishlists and new years resolutions are not worth discussing seriously.
From Gallup a related article clearly states
Since the article is 8 years old, one can look at and see how much of it comes true, in the last 8 years 1 million immigrants per year were added. Around 5% of those wishing to move to US actually moved.
I already discussed why wishes are not that important. As far as action of trying to cross the border illegally. We have data on it. The number of Mexicans attempting to cross the border illegally has crashed from a high of 1.615 million in 2000 to 152,257 in 2018, the long term trend is clear Mexican emigration has peaked.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/01/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-5-charts/ft_19-04-01_mexicoborder_6_new/
That maybe true. However neither FPGen or Democrats are advocating open borders, I doubt that even under the least restrictive proposals US net immigration will exceed 1 million average over the next 20 years.
I have no interest in the perceptions and discussions by people on the American right when they are clearing wrong in their perceptions. I just ignore them.
I look for universal definitions, open borders means that anyone can come and live in USA. This is clearly not true today and was not has not been true for 100+ years.
I did not assume anything about your position on immigration. However I think you are wrong in assuming that FPGen webpage on immigration is in support or constitutes “open borders”
Mexico’s GDP per capita and Gini coefficient have been about constant for the past decade. I can’t find evidence on changes in college education attainment. So it’s not apparent that they are pushing forward along this transition. Moreover, Mexico only constitutes ~half of illegal immigration, and many Latin American countries are poorer (in fact they are behind the $6k transition peak).
None of them asked Mexican people how content they are to stay or immigrate.
Mexico’s population is still growing. So if the emigration rate per 1000 people remains constant, the number of annual emigres will grow year over year, just at a lower rate than it would grow if fertility were higher.
Please provide a source. It may be the case that people with aging families to support desire to emigrate in order to send remittances.
It is still a vastly different country.
And many more tried to move but were apprehended at the border, or chose not to move because they were afraid of being apprehended at the border or otherwise policed.
You’re confusing apprehensions with crossing attempts and neglecting to mention the increase in apprehensions of non-Mexican migrants.
Whether or not a country has open borders is not a question of the quantity of immigrants who enter the country.
Fine, but don’t then tell me I’m wrong when I’m not.
Second of all, the American right-wing is correct when they perceive that America fails to reliably control the southern border or police the undocumented migrant population.
That’s probably what would happen here: assuming that you make it to the border, then CBP will not have the power to detain you, ICE will not exist, you will be “legally protected,” you will not have a criminal record, and you will have a “pathway to citizenship.”
I am not sure why college education is so important. Their education levels have been consistently increasing as I pointed to earlier. repeating education graphic AGAIN
Given their increases in education, it is a good assumption to make that their college level education is also increasing.
I presented actual data on total mexican immigrants, and undocumented mexican immigrants. Given this hard data on actual migration opinion polls have very little relevance
Repeating AGAIN net immigration from Mexico in the last 10 years in negative. There is no increase in number of emigres. There has been a DECREASE.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states
Dont speculate. When fertility rate falls to replacement or close to it, when they are Upper Middle Income like Mexico is, the problem is not money, it is time spent with family.
This is because population of undocumented mexican immigrants decreased from 6.9 to 4.9 million, while that of other countries stayed basically flat changing from 5.3 million to 5.5 million
AGAIN mexican immigrants in US is net negative over the last 10 years. We are talking about worldwide immigration to USA not just about southern border. When people arrive by air the policing on the border is not relevant. Latin amercian immigration was only about a third in the years 2010-2017, the rest was from all over the world and visa overstays are the issue there
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings
https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2018-09/camarota-imm-pop-sept-18-t1.jpg
Finally it is not just US policies that effect how many people come in, it is also fundamentally about the how well the sending countries are doing. In general life is much better in the sending countries and US will see a drop off in number of immigrants coming in.
I explicitly talked about non-mexican immigrants and assumed 3.2 million of them would make it into the USA in the next 10 years. Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador are are behind in terms of education and as it changes over the next decade the number of people emigrating will start to fall.
Between 2010-17 1.6 immigrants from latin america (excluding mexico) came in, this is 250,000 a year or .1% of US population per year, which is reasonable control of border given the enormous size of US border, the vast income and social disparities between US and the southern countries.
https://cis.org/Report/Record-445-Million-Immigrants-2017
Overall US total US immigrant population is increasing only by less than .33% a year, and U.S. Population Growth In 2019 Is Slowest In A Century
even so the right says US has open borders, which is laughable.
Like I said I look for universal definitions, if there was an open border, then there would be no work/tourist visas, you can just come and work or play or visit, path to citizenship would not matter (why bother?), nobody would need to make it to the border, they would just take a flight in.
No matter who becomes president or how congress/senate changes I expect immigrants in US to increase by less than 1 million a year which is .31% of population this is hardly a disaster or emergency, or open borders, or lack of control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_United_States#Historical_Census_Population
US has one of the slowest increases of population, and this 2020′s is likely to be even slower.