Hi Kathrik! Thank you very much for your article! I am interested in discussing the animal welfare oriented arguments in favor of insect farming. I would be super happy to have your thoughts on my reactions.
1. It seems very difficult to make industrials put efforts in reducing bigger animals’ suffering: do you think we can easily make insect industrials put efforts in reducing insect suffering? How could we do so? 2. It looks like for the time being, farmed insects are not fed with waste but rather with cereals that could have been given directly to the animals they are intended to feed. Feeding them with cereals seems cheaper, easier and more respectful of health recommendations. But of course this might change in the future. So another point might be that we would have even more insects killed in farms than in fields. 3. a. Today in Europe (where I live), people are not ready to eat insects themselves, so insects are intended as feed for bigger farmed animals. Hence we can not expect (for the time being) them to replace a lot of meals from fish. b. Very interesting, thank you for sharing!
Regarding your first point, I completely agree that it will be challenging to get companies to care about insect suffering. Firstly, I think there is little knowledge to begin with on what may or may not be painful for insects which means we exist only in the hypothetical where we assume that freezing is painless even though we don’t know for sure. Secondly, even if we were to figure that out, I think companies would only be interested in reducing insect suffering if it was profitable for them. One thing I think is that if companies have to mass produce insects they need to provide suitable mating conditions which cannot happen if they are in pain. Additionally, if we look at freezing or electrical shock as methods of death that are painless, companies may want to do that in order to preserve the dead insects for other companies in the supply chain as opposed to burning them or crushing them. That being said, there is still a chance that insects go through a lot of pain just through being farmed because billions upon billions of them are grown in tiny spaces in accordance to the profit incentives of the companies.
I completely agree with the second point! I think that more insects would die when they are being farmed just because the whole purpose of insect farming is to grow so many only to ultimately kill them.
So my point on meals from fish was that insect farming has the potential to replace fishmeal which is feed for farmed animals like pigs, poultry, and even other farmed fish. Here is an article from the FAO about fishmeal as feed for farmed animals. I don’t think we’ll see humans eating insects directly until a very long time as you mentioned.
Again, thank you very much for your questions and do feel free to reach out in case there are any more :)
I still think it is dangerous to let insect farming grow, as in bigger-animal farms, it doesn’t seem profitable to prevent animals from suffering (take pigs: “oh, they eat their tails because they suffer a lot? Let’s cut it at birth!”).
Oh thank you for clarifying your point on fishmeals, I understand!
I totally agree! I think I’m skeptical of insect farming and my concerns outweigh any of the hypothetical stuff I said about it playing out in a way that could be humane.
Hi Kathrik!
Thank you very much for your article!
I am interested in discussing the animal welfare oriented arguments in favor of insect farming. I would be super happy to have your thoughts on my reactions.
1. It seems very difficult to make industrials put efforts in reducing bigger animals’ suffering: do you think we can easily make insect industrials put efforts in reducing insect suffering? How could we do so?
2. It looks like for the time being, farmed insects are not fed with waste but rather with cereals that could have been given directly to the animals they are intended to feed. Feeding them with cereals seems cheaper, easier and more respectful of health recommendations. But of course this might change in the future. So another point might be that we would have even more insects killed in farms than in fields.
3. a. Today in Europe (where I live), people are not ready to eat insects themselves, so insects are intended as feed for bigger farmed animals. Hence we can not expect (for the time being) them to replace a lot of meals from fish.
b. Very interesting, thank you for sharing!
Do you have any thoughts on my remarks? :)
Hello Nour! Thank you SO MUCH for your questions!
Regarding your first point, I completely agree that it will be challenging to get companies to care about insect suffering. Firstly, I think there is little knowledge to begin with on what may or may not be painful for insects which means we exist only in the hypothetical where we assume that freezing is painless even though we don’t know for sure. Secondly, even if we were to figure that out, I think companies would only be interested in reducing insect suffering if it was profitable for them. One thing I think is that if companies have to mass produce insects they need to provide suitable mating conditions which cannot happen if they are in pain. Additionally, if we look at freezing or electrical shock as methods of death that are painless, companies may want to do that in order to preserve the dead insects for other companies in the supply chain as opposed to burning them or crushing them. That being said, there is still a chance that insects go through a lot of pain just through being farmed because billions upon billions of them are grown in tiny spaces in accordance to the profit incentives of the companies.
I completely agree with the second point! I think that more insects would die when they are being farmed just because the whole purpose of insect farming is to grow so many only to ultimately kill them.
So my point on meals from fish was that insect farming has the potential to replace fishmeal which is feed for farmed animals like pigs, poultry, and even other farmed fish. Here is an article from the FAO about fishmeal as feed for farmed animals. I don’t think we’ll see humans eating insects directly until a very long time as you mentioned.
Again, thank you very much for your questions and do feel free to reach out in case there are any more :)
Thank you Karthik for replying!
I still think it is dangerous to let insect farming grow, as in bigger-animal farms, it doesn’t seem profitable to prevent animals from suffering (take pigs: “oh, they eat their tails because they suffer a lot? Let’s cut it at birth!”).
Oh thank you for clarifying your point on fishmeals, I understand!
Hi Nour,
I totally agree! I think I’m skeptical of insect farming and my concerns outweigh any of the hypothetical stuff I said about it playing out in a way that could be humane.