I can see how you might think that, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
My opinion is that the presumption of innocence is not just a legal principle, it is a foundational principle of most justice systems because one accusation can forever ruin someone’s reputation whether or not they are proven innocent in the future.
Accusations can draw a lot of attention, but retractions receive far less attention.
I believe it’s very important to be careful damaging someone’s reputation before hearing both sides because it’s really hard to repair it.
Additionally, it’s much harder to prove accusations wrong than it is to anonymously make them in the first place, so most cultures have immune reactions against anonymous accusations.
It’s also just bad epistemics to only hear one side. Every side always thinks they’re in the right, so if you only hear one side, it’s practically impossible to have good epistemics.
My opinion is that the presumption of innocence is not just a legal principle, it is a foundational principle of most justice systems because one accusation can forever ruin someone’s reputation whether or not they are proven innocent in the future.
That’s not how a lot of justice systems work.
The widespread of gossip is one example.
Another example is that one can sue before establishing “guilt beyond reasonable doubt” as required by the presumption of innocence.
Readers can update their opinion of Nonlinear based on these accusations as they see fit including incorporating their understanding of the presumption of innocence.
Additionally, it’s much harder to prove accusations wrong than it is to anonymously make them in the first place, so most cultures have immune reactions against anonymous accusations.
This is a tradeoff. The higher the standards for accusations are, the less common knowledge about bad behaviour would be established. The laxer standards are, the more reputations would be damaged without proper reasons.
I believe that EA tends to give bad actors too much benefit of the doubt.
I don’t think EA Forum has a different cultural code. Upvotes indicate that anonymous-7′s decision to post was reasonably well received despite EA Forum readers, who probably share general skepticism about anonymous accusations.
It’s also just bad epistemics to only hear one side. Every side always thinks they’re in the right, so if you only hear one side, it’s practically impossible to have good epistemics.
Once again, this is a matter of tradeoff. Readers are aware that anonymous-7 hasn’t reached out to Nonlinear to hear their side of the story and can adjust their updates accordingly.
I can see how you might think that, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.
My opinion is that the presumption of innocence is not just a legal principle, it is a foundational principle of most justice systems because one accusation can forever ruin someone’s reputation whether or not they are proven innocent in the future.
Accusations can draw a lot of attention, but retractions receive far less attention.
I believe it’s very important to be careful damaging someone’s reputation before hearing both sides because it’s really hard to repair it.
Additionally, it’s much harder to prove accusations wrong than it is to anonymously make them in the first place, so most cultures have immune reactions against anonymous accusations.
It’s also just bad epistemics to only hear one side. Every side always thinks they’re in the right, so if you only hear one side, it’s practically impossible to have good epistemics.
That’s not how a lot of justice systems work.
The widespread of gossip is one example.
Another example is that one can sue before establishing “guilt beyond reasonable doubt” as required by the presumption of innocence.
Readers can update their opinion of Nonlinear based on these accusations as they see fit including incorporating their understanding of the presumption of innocence.
This is a tradeoff. The higher the standards for accusations are, the less common knowledge about bad behaviour would be established. The laxer standards are, the more reputations would be damaged without proper reasons.
I believe that EA tends to give bad actors too much benefit of the doubt.
I don’t think EA Forum has a different cultural code. Upvotes indicate that anonymous-7′s decision to post was reasonably well received despite EA Forum readers, who probably share general skepticism about anonymous accusations.
Once again, this is a matter of tradeoff. Readers are aware that anonymous-7 hasn’t reached out to Nonlinear to hear their side of the story and can adjust their updates accordingly.