my impression is that corporations have rewarded malevolence less over time.
Yeah, I think that’s probably true.
Just to push back a little bit, the pessimistic take would be that corporate executives simply have become better at signalling and public relations. Maybe also partly because the downsides of having bad PR are worse today compared to, say, the 1920s—back then, people were poorer and consumers didn’t have the luxury to boycott companies whose bosses said something egregious; workers often didn’t have the option to look for another job if they hated their boss, et cetera. Generally, it seems plausible to me that “humans seem to have evolved to emphasize signaling more in good times than in bad.” (Hanson, 2009).
I wonder if one could find more credible signals of things like “caring for your employers”, ideally in statistical form. Money invested in worker safety might be one such metric. Salary discrepancies between employees and corporate executives might be another one (which seems to have gotten way worse since at least the 1970s) though there are obviously many confounders here.
The decline in child labor might be another example of how corporations have rewarded malevolence less over time. In the 19th century, when child labor was common, some amount of malevolence (or at least indifference) was arguably beneficial if you wanted to run a profitable company. Companies run by people who refused to employ children for ethical reasons presumably went bankrupt more often given that they could not compete with companies that used such cheap labor. (On the other hand, it’s not super clear what an altruistic company owner should have done. Many children also needed jobs in order to be able to buy various necessities—I don’t know.)
Maybe this is simply an example of a more general pattern: Periods of history marked by poverty, scarcity, instability, conflict, and inadequate norms & laws will tend to reward or even require more malicious behavior, and the least ruthless will tend to be outcompeted (compare again Hanson’s “This is the Dream Time”, especially point 4).
I wonder if one could find more credible signals of things like “caring for your employers”, ideally in statistical form. Money invested in worker safety might be one such metric.
That seems reasonable. Another possibility is looking at benefits, which have grown rapidly (though there are also many confounders here).
Something which I can’t easily measure but seems more robust is the fraction of “iterated games”. E.g. I would expect enterprise salespeople to be less malevolent than B2C ones (at least towards their customers), because successful enterprise sales relies on building relationships over years or decades. Similarly managers are often recruited and paid well because they have a loyal team who will go with them, and so screwing over that team is not in their self-interest.
Thanks, that’s a good example.
Yeah, I think that’s probably true.
Just to push back a little bit, the pessimistic take would be that corporate executives simply have become better at signalling and public relations. Maybe also partly because the downsides of having bad PR are worse today compared to, say, the 1920s—back then, people were poorer and consumers didn’t have the luxury to boycott companies whose bosses said something egregious; workers often didn’t have the option to look for another job if they hated their boss, et cetera. Generally, it seems plausible to me that “humans seem to have evolved to emphasize signaling more in good times than in bad.” (Hanson, 2009).
I wonder if one could find more credible signals of things like “caring for your employers”, ideally in statistical form. Money invested in worker safety might be one such metric. Salary discrepancies between employees and corporate executives might be another one (which seems to have gotten way worse since at least the 1970s) though there are obviously many confounders here.
The decline in child labor might be another example of how corporations have rewarded malevolence less over time. In the 19th century, when child labor was common, some amount of malevolence (or at least indifference) was arguably beneficial if you wanted to run a profitable company. Companies run by people who refused to employ children for ethical reasons presumably went bankrupt more often given that they could not compete with companies that used such cheap labor. (On the other hand, it’s not super clear what an altruistic company owner should have done. Many children also needed jobs in order to be able to buy various necessities—I don’t know.)
Maybe this is simply an example of a more general pattern: Periods of history marked by poverty, scarcity, instability, conflict, and inadequate norms & laws will tend to reward or even require more malicious behavior, and the least ruthless will tend to be outcompeted (compare again Hanson’s “This is the Dream Time”, especially point 4).
That seems reasonable. Another possibility is looking at benefits, which have grown rapidly (though there are also many confounders here).
Something which I can’t easily measure but seems more robust is the fraction of “iterated games”. E.g. I would expect enterprise salespeople to be less malevolent than B2C ones (at least towards their customers), because successful enterprise sales relies on building relationships over years or decades. Similarly managers are often recruited and paid well because they have a loyal team who will go with them, and so screwing over that team is not in their self-interest.