My best idea for solving this is making an alternative view for 80k’s job board that has some reasons to obviously prefer it, and to add features to it like “here’s a link to the org’s AMA post”, where I hope the community can comment on things like “this org is trying to build an AGI with little concern for safety”, and lots of people can upvote it. No political problems for 80k. Lots of good high quality discussions. Hopefully.
Regarding some jobs being there just for building career capital—I only learned about this a few days ago and it kind of worries me. I don’t have good ideas on how to solve it
>it kind of worries me Is that because you think the job board shouldn’t list career capital roles, because it wasn’t obvious that the roles were career capital-related, or something else?
In case it’s helpful, the first thing below the title on the job board says: >Some of these roles directly address some of the world’s most pressing problems, while others may help you build the career capital you need to have a big impact later.
I’d be interested in any ideas you had for communicating more clearly that a bunch of the roles are there for a mix of career capital and impact reasons. Giving our guess of the extent to which each role is being listed for career capital vs impact reasons isn’t feasible for various reasons unfortunately.
You have that line there, but I didn’t notice it in years, and I recently talked to other people who didn’t notice it and were also very surprised. The only person I think I talked to who maybe knew about it is Caleb, who wrote this shortform.
Everyone (I talked to) thinks 80k is the place to find an impactful job.
Maybe the people I talk to are a very biased sample somehow, it could be, but they do include many people who are trying to have a high impact with their career right now
Oh this is a cool idea! I endorse this on the current margin and think it’s cool that you are trying this out.
I think that ideally a high context person/org could do the curation and split this into a bunch of different categories based on their view (ideally this is pretty opinionated/inside viewy).
I think linking to organisations’ AMAs on the EA Forum is a neat idea! Thanks for sharing. I’ve added it to our list of feature ideas we might build in the future.
I admit I’m a bit worried when I hear “might build in the future” about a feature that seems very small to me (I could add it to my own version), and a part of me is telling me this is your way of saying you actually never want to build it. I’m not sure how to phrase my question exactly.. maybe “if someone else would do the dev work, would you be happy just putting it in, or is there another bottle neck?”
Also excuse me for my difficulty understanding subtext, I am trying
Agree!
My best idea for solving this is making an alternative view for 80k’s job board that has some reasons to obviously prefer it, and to add features to it like “here’s a link to the org’s AMA post”, where I hope the community can comment on things like “this org is trying to build an AGI with little concern for safety”, and lots of people can upvote it. No political problems for 80k. Lots of good high quality discussions. Hopefully.
What do you think?
Regarding some jobs being there just for building career capital—I only learned about this a few days ago and it kind of worries me. I don’t have good ideas on how to solve it
>it kind of worries me
Is that because you think the job board shouldn’t list career capital roles, because it wasn’t obvious that the roles were career capital-related, or something else?
What worries me:
I think lots of people take (and took) a job from 80k’s board..
hoping to do something impactful.
in fact doing something neutral or perhaps (we could discuss this point,) actively harmful.
Unaware that this is the situation.
What do you think? (does this seems true? does it seem worrying?)
In case it’s helpful, the first thing below the title on the job board says:
>Some of these roles directly address some of the world’s most pressing problems, while others may help you build the career capital you need to have a big impact later.
I’d be interested in any ideas you had for communicating more clearly that a bunch of the roles are there for a mix of career capital and impact reasons. Giving our guess of the extent to which each role is being listed for career capital vs impact reasons isn’t feasible for various reasons unfortunately.
TL;DR: I think this is very under communicated
You have that line there, but I didn’t notice it in years, and I recently talked to other people who didn’t notice it and were also very surprised. The only person I think I talked to who maybe knew about it is Caleb, who wrote this shortform.
Everyone (I talked to) thinks 80k is the place to find an impactful job.
Maybe the people I talk to are a very biased sample somehow, it could be, but they do include many people who are trying to have a high impact with their career right now
I checked if people know this by opening a poll for the EA Twitter community:
Could you say more on why it’s not feasible? Maybe it’s something we could solve?
Just saying, filtering the jobs by org does sound good to me (in almost all situations), in case that’s the bottle neck.
“This org—we think it’s impactful. That org—just career building”
Oh this is a cool idea! I endorse this on the current margin and think it’s cool that you are trying this out.
I think that ideally a high context person/org could do the curation and split this into a bunch of different categories based on their view (ideally this is pretty opinionated/inside viewy).
Next idea: Have a job board with open vetting, where anyone can comment or disagree with the impact analysis, including the company itself.
What do you think?
I think linking to organisations’ AMAs on the EA Forum is a neat idea! Thanks for sharing. I’ve added it to our list of feature ideas we might build in the future.
Thank you!
I admit I’m a bit worried when I hear “might build in the future” about a feature that seems very small to me (I could add it to my own version), and a part of me is telling me this is your way of saying you actually never want to build it. I’m not sure how to phrase my question exactly.. maybe “if someone else would do the dev work, would you be happy just putting it in, or is there another bottle neck?”
Also excuse me for my difficulty understanding subtext, I am trying