Yarvin, in particular, stands out to me as someone who only has relevant notability as a famous openly anti-democratic far-right figure with explicitly far-right âestablish a dictatorshipâ political goals. If he was not merely there as an attendee, but invited by the organisers, I think EA orgs should cut any ties with Manifold frankly.
Also, the use of slurs as described should be an absolutely easy case for expulsion apart from anything else. It doesnât have even the slightest fig-leaf of being about taboo empirical claims. If Manifold wonât take even that seriously itâs hard to believe they donât hold pretty hard right, bigoted opinions as an org. (A shame if so, as I like Manifold itself.) Though I guess it is possible the organisers were not aware of this behaviour.
Thanks for your comment David! Just to clarify: Yarvin wasnât there there as an attendee or as an invitee, but both his personal assistant and many people who seemed to have close ties to him were attending the events. Many attendees also took part in the afterparty organized by Yarvin at his house. I could have been clearer about this in my text.
Yarvin wasnât there there as an attendee or as an invitee.
Michael Vassar wasnât there as an attendee or as an invitee, and you have no evidence that he even attempted to purchase a ticket.
No one holding the wrong views on the historicity of the Holocaust was invited to give a talk, and you have no evidence that Austin or Oliver ever considered extending an invitation to such a person.
Of these points, there was only legitimate confusion over the Vassar one. Omitting these points would not only make the post epistemologically cleaner and more concise, but also save you the trouble posting corrections down in the comments.
You will forgive me if this colors the conclusions I draw from your post.
Yarvin, in particular, stands out to me as someone who only has relevant notability as a famous openly anti-democratic far-right figure with explicitly far-right âestablish a dictatorshipâ political goals. If he was not merely there as an attendee, but invited by the organisers, I think EA orgs should cut any ties with Manifold frankly.
Also, the use of slurs as described should be an absolutely easy case for expulsion apart from anything else. It doesnât have even the slightest fig-leaf of being about taboo empirical claims. If Manifold wonât take even that seriously itâs hard to believe they donât hold pretty hard right, bigoted opinions as an org. (A shame if so, as I like Manifold itself.) Though I guess it is possible the organisers were not aware of this behaviour.
Thanks for your comment David! Just to clarify: Yarvin wasnât there there as an attendee or as an invitee, but both his personal assistant and many people who seemed to have close ties to him were attending the events. Many attendees also took part in the afterparty organized by Yarvin at his house. I could have been clearer about this in my text.
Just to clarify for my own benefit:
Yarvin wasnât there there as an attendee or as an invitee.
Michael Vassar wasnât there as an attendee or as an invitee, and you have no evidence that he even attempted to purchase a ticket.
No one holding the wrong views on the historicity of the Holocaust was invited to give a talk, and you have no evidence that Austin or Oliver ever considered extending an invitation to such a person.
Of these points, there was only legitimate confusion over the Vassar one. Omitting these points would not only make the post epistemologically cleaner and more concise, but also save you the trouble posting corrections down in the comments.
You will forgive me if this colors the conclusions I draw from your post.