And what does “racist” even mean here? I’m worried that there’s a bait-and-switch going on, where this term is being used as an ambiguous combination of grave, derogatory accusation; and descriptive of a set of empirical beliefs about demographics and genetics. (Or to clarify: there’s of course absolutely such a bait-and-switch going on, in the Guardian article and lots of broader discourse, my worry is about it also leaking into EA forum discussion via your post.)
I think the fact that you said “ambiguous combination of grave, derogatory accusation” is a problem for your argument, because it suggests that you don’t have anything in mind that racism could mean other than a set of empirical beliefs about demographics and genetics. If this is the only actual thing that comes to mind for people, then presumably the grave/derogatory aspect is just a result of how they view those empirical beliefs about demographics and genetics.
I say this as one of the people who started HBD conversations at less.online (main one being a conversation about this paper—I didn’t do the whole fishing-for-compatibility thing that OP mentioned). Or I would be inclined to call them racist conversations, though if I was to propose an alternate meaning of “racist” where I don’t count as a racist, it would be something like: someone whose political theories find it infeasible to work with different races. White separatists would be a central example, in that they decide it’s too infeasible to work with black people and therefore want their own society. And e.g. cops who aren’t accountable to black communities would also be an example of racism.
But this would exclude some things that I think people would typically agree is racism, e.g. cops who do racial profiling but don’t conspire to protect each other when one of them abused a black person who is seeking accountability. So I wouldn’t really push this definition so hard.
In my opinion, a more productive line of inquiry is that a lot of HBD claims are junk/bullshit. From a progressive perspective, that’s problematic because there’s this giant edifice of racist lies that’s getting enabled by tolerating racism, and from the perspective of someone who is interested in understanding race, that’s problematic because HBD will leave you with lots of abd flaws in your understanding. Progressives would probably be inclined to say that this means HBD should be purged from these places, but that’s hypocritical because at least as many progressive claims about race are junk/bullshit. My view of the productive approach would be to sort out the junk from the gems.
I think the fact that you said “ambiguous combination of grave, derogatory accusation” is a problem for your argument, because it suggests that you don’t have anything in mind that racism could mean other than a set of empirical beliefs about demographics and genetics. If this is the only actual thing that comes to mind for people, then presumably the grave/derogatory aspect is just a result of how they view those empirical beliefs about demographics and genetics.
I say this as one of the people who started HBD conversations at less.online (main one being a conversation about this paper—I didn’t do the whole fishing-for-compatibility thing that OP mentioned). Or I would be inclined to call them racist conversations, though if I was to propose an alternate meaning of “racist” where I don’t count as a racist, it would be something like: someone whose political theories find it infeasible to work with different races. White separatists would be a central example, in that they decide it’s too infeasible to work with black people and therefore want their own society. And e.g. cops who aren’t accountable to black communities would also be an example of racism.
But this would exclude some things that I think people would typically agree is racism, e.g. cops who do racial profiling but don’t conspire to protect each other when one of them abused a black person who is seeking accountability. So I wouldn’t really push this definition so hard.
In my opinion, a more productive line of inquiry is that a lot of HBD claims are junk/bullshit. From a progressive perspective, that’s problematic because there’s this giant edifice of racist lies that’s getting enabled by tolerating racism, and from the perspective of someone who is interested in understanding race, that’s problematic because HBD will leave you with lots of abd flaws in your understanding. Progressives would probably be inclined to say that this means HBD should be purged from these places, but that’s hypocritical because at least as many progressive claims about race are junk/bullshit. My view of the productive approach would be to sort out the junk from the gems.