Hi—thanks for taking the time to think through these, write them out and share them! We really appreciate getting feedback from people who use our services and who have a sense of how others do.
I work on 80k’s internal systems, including our impact evaluation (which seems relevant to your ideas).
I’ve made sure that the four points will be seen by the relevant people at 80k for each of these.
Re. #1, I’m confused about whether you’re more referring to ‘message testing’ (i.e. what ideas/framings make our ideas appealing to which audiences) or ‘long term follow up with users to see how their careers/lives have change’. (I can imagine various combinations of these.)
Thank you for reading! It was awesome to see your response.
I was referring to the ‘long term follow up with users to see how their careers/lives have changed.’
And super happy to elaborate. I’ve found myself wondering things like:
Is the coaching vs. the website (vs. certain aspects of the website) more likely to lead to people making changes to their careers? Or to be more engaged in EA? Does one lead to a certain kind of change more than the other?
Is anything at 80K (to borrow something I read first at your website) is having a ‘Scared Straight’ effect?
Many of the first people to use 80K coaching/services have presumably been in their careers for a while now. What did they end up doing? It’s hard to trace things like this, but what within it might be traceable to 80K?
Sometimes my friends who say they’re most convinced by my EA type arguments act on EA ideas least (i.e., less than my friends who didn’t initially seem as convinced/excited). Basically, immediate excitement hasn’t always correlated to longterm action. Do we know if anything like this is happening and if it’s impacting design at 80K? (i.e., 80K does more of thing X because it gets a response, but it doesn’t translate to longterm action).
What could we (the larger EA community) learn from who/how 80K has convinced people to make longterm changes? (So that we could be better at convincing people to make changes too).
I don’t think you’ll find anything from us which is directly focused on most of these questions. (It’s also not especially obvious that this is our comparative advantage within the community.)
But we do have some relevant public content. Much of it is in our annual review, including its appendices.
You also might find these results of the OP EA/LT survey interesting.
Hi—thanks for taking the time to think through these, write them out and share them! We really appreciate getting feedback from people who use our services and who have a sense of how others do.
I work on 80k’s internal systems, including our impact evaluation (which seems relevant to your ideas).
I’ve made sure that the four points will be seen by the relevant people at 80k for each of these.
Re. #1, I’m confused about whether you’re more referring to ‘message testing’ (i.e. what ideas/framings make our ideas appealing to which audiences) or ‘long term follow up with users to see how their careers/lives have change’. (I can imagine various combinations of these.)
Could you elaborate?
Thank you for reading! It was awesome to see your response.
I was referring to the ‘long term follow up with users to see how their careers/lives have changed.’
And super happy to elaborate. I’ve found myself wondering things like:
Is the coaching vs. the website (vs. certain aspects of the website) more likely to lead to people making changes to their careers? Or to be more engaged in EA? Does one lead to a certain kind of change more than the other?
Is anything at 80K (to borrow something I read first at your website) is having a ‘Scared Straight’ effect?
Many of the first people to use 80K coaching/services have presumably been in their careers for a while now. What did they end up doing? It’s hard to trace things like this, but what within it might be traceable to 80K?
Sometimes my friends who say they’re most convinced by my EA type arguments act on EA ideas least (i.e., less than my friends who didn’t initially seem as convinced/excited). Basically, immediate excitement hasn’t always correlated to longterm action. Do we know if anything like this is happening and if it’s impacting design at 80K? (i.e., 80K does more of thing X because it gets a response, but it doesn’t translate to longterm action).
What could we (the larger EA community) learn from who/how 80K has convinced people to make longterm changes? (So that we could be better at convincing people to make changes too).
Thanks again!
Ah nice, understood!
I don’t think you’ll find anything from us which is directly focused on most of these questions. (It’s also not especially obvious that this is our comparative advantage within the community.)
But we do have some relevant public content. Much of it is in our annual review, including its appendices.
You also might find these results of the OP EA/LT survey interesting.