The framework is naïve and hypocritical. American terms with ‘pro-life’ and ‘pro-choice’ is already a political choice being made, and it sure doesn’t give the same vibes if you use the term abortion.
The chicken comparison made in the comments effectively highlights how hypocritical this is. Will we stop killing chicken? I don’t think so.
Maybe you should wonder in the first place why these women get there, and maybe we should tackle the cause of why they get there. Are abortions the issue, or the fact that men put women in these situations? And now men want to regulate what happens once other men have done the deed? That sounds harsh.
Have you thought about the consequences of advocating for this? How much this kind of post legitimate right-wing, conservative discourses while EA is supposed to be “apolitical” (I should know, it’s what I get every time I talk about structural change)? does moral uncertainty makes up for that kind of bad consequences?
Appendix one is about religion. This has nothing to do here.
This kind of topic deserves an awareness on all accounts—not just examining one aspect like does the foetus feel pain, but also are we ready to destroy a right that has been painfully gained and is under threat? This post comes as incredibly insensitive in a context of RoeVsWade, packed with misogyny as it doesn’t give any credit to the argument that it is before all a choice that women should be able to make. One line is not enough, what honesty is to say ’I know it matters but here’s how I’ll demonstrate how it doesn’t?
These terms are pretty widely used and are the most widely accepted. Of course I don’t think ‘pro-choice’ is a good, neutral term—but they are a reasonable compromise for the sake of clarity, since everyone understands what they mean.
I don’t know what you mean here.
Yes, there is a lot we can do to tackle the root causes of abortion.
EA is supposed to consider how to improve the world as much as possible—that is what this post aims to do. The fact that it might lend credibility to a right-wing cause does not bother me, nor does the fact that the pro-animal posts here might lend credibility to a left-wing cause. I am struggling to understand what point you are trying to express, unless you are just assuming that anything that could benefit conservatives is evil. But that is just silly. Moreover, plenty of left-wing people (like myself) are opposed to abortion.
I explicitly stated at the start of that appendix that it was relevant for the 15% or so of EAs who are religious. It is relevant to them, and belongs there. If you don’t like, scroll past it.
At this point I fear you are not really engaging with (or even reading) the post. If you have specific criticisms, I’m happy to address them. If not, then I probably cannot help very much.
Straight to the point
The framework is naïve and hypocritical. American terms with ‘pro-life’ and ‘pro-choice’ is already a political choice being made, and it sure doesn’t give the same vibes if you use the term abortion.
The chicken comparison made in the comments effectively highlights how hypocritical this is. Will we stop killing chicken? I don’t think so.
Maybe you should wonder in the first place why these women get there, and maybe we should tackle the cause of why they get there. Are abortions the issue, or the fact that men put women in these situations? And now men want to regulate what happens once other men have done the deed? That sounds harsh.
Have you thought about the consequences of advocating for this? How much this kind of post legitimate right-wing, conservative discourses while EA is supposed to be “apolitical” (I should know, it’s what I get every time I talk about structural change)? does moral uncertainty makes up for that kind of bad consequences?
Appendix one is about religion. This has nothing to do here.
This kind of topic deserves an awareness on all accounts—not just examining one aspect like does the foetus feel pain, but also are we ready to destroy a right that has been painfully gained and is under threat? This post comes as incredibly insensitive in a context of RoeVsWade, packed with misogyny as it doesn’t give any credit to the argument that it is before all a choice that women should be able to make. One line is not enough, what honesty is to say ’I know it matters but here’s how I’ll demonstrate how it doesn’t?
These terms are pretty widely used and are the most widely accepted. Of course I don’t think ‘pro-choice’ is a good, neutral term—but they are a reasonable compromise for the sake of clarity, since everyone understands what they mean.
I don’t know what you mean here.
Yes, there is a lot we can do to tackle the root causes of abortion.
EA is supposed to consider how to improve the world as much as possible—that is what this post aims to do. The fact that it might lend credibility to a right-wing cause does not bother me, nor does the fact that the pro-animal posts here might lend credibility to a left-wing cause. I am struggling to understand what point you are trying to express, unless you are just assuming that anything that could benefit conservatives is evil. But that is just silly. Moreover, plenty of left-wing people (like myself) are opposed to abortion.
I explicitly stated at the start of that appendix that it was relevant for the 15% or so of EAs who are religious. It is relevant to them, and belongs there. If you don’t like, scroll past it.
At this point I fear you are not really engaging with (or even reading) the post. If you have specific criticisms, I’m happy to address them. If not, then I probably cannot help very much.