If EA and ES both existed, I expect the main focus areas to be very different (e.g. political change is not a main focus area in EA, but would be in ES), but (if harmfull tribalism can be avoided) the movements don’t have to be opposed to each other.
I’m not sure why ES would be against charter cities. Are charter cities bad for unions?
Scandinavia didn’t become wealthy and equitable through marginal charity. Societal transformation comes from uprooting oppressive power structures.
I expect a serious intellectual movement, that aims to uplift the world to Scandinavian standards, to actually learn about Scandinavian society, and what makes it work.
“Real socialism hasn’t been tried either!” the Effective Samaritan quips back. “Every attempt has always been co-opted by ruling elites who used it for their own ends. The closest we’ve gotten is Scandinavia which now has the world’s highest standards of living, even if not entirely socialist it’s gotta count for something!”
I’m guessing that “socialism” hear means something like Marxism? Since this is the type of socialism that “has not been really tried” according to some, and also the typ of socialism that usually end up with dictatorship.
I’m not a historian, and I have not fact checked the above video in any way. But if fits with other things I’ve heard, and my own experience of Swedish v.s. US attitudes.
I agree with this comment.
If EA and ES both existed, I expect the main focus areas to be very different (e.g. political change is not a main focus area in EA, but would be in ES), but (if harmfull tribalism can be avoided) the movements don’t have to be opposed to each other.
I’m not sure why ES would be against charter cities. Are charter cities bad for unions?
I expect a serious intellectual movement, that aims to uplift the world to Scandinavian standards, to actually learn about Scandinavian society, and what makes it work.
I’m guessing that “socialism” hear means something like Marxism? Since this is the type of socialism that “has not been really tried” according to some, and also the typ of socialism that usually end up with dictatorship.
Scandinavian socialism did not come from Marxism.
Source: How Denmark invented Social Democracy (youtube.com)
I’m not a historian, and I have not fact checked the above video in any way. But if fits with other things I’ve heard, and my own experience of Swedish v.s. US attitudes.