Fwiw, my read of Denise’s comment was more like “My previous impression of Owen was that he was an outstanding example of what a decent man should look like, and thus this news is especially disappointing and devastating”, rather than something like “Owen was the last decent man, and this shows that there are no decent men”.
Or: “learning of this significantly updated my assessment of the number of decent men downward, especially in EA.”
As a man, I wasn’t offended in light of the circumstances of the statement (though I don’t speak for all men).
Although I’m not endorsing the wording, the message that Owen’s behavior harmed people other than those directly involved, and eroded community trust in multiple ways, is an important message for him and others to hear.
However, I completely understand why Lizka wrote the mod comment and think it was a balanced comment.
This was also my interpretation, though I can imagine others interpreting it differently.
I would also like to clarify that I strongly disagreed (but didn’t downvote) Denise’s post strictly in response to the final paragraph, to express something like “Let’s not overreact to recent events. EA has accomplished great things and will likely recover from these setbacks. And I hope you don’t leave EA, Denise!” This strikes me as a case where the meaning of the disagree vote count is particularly opaque, so it seemed worth adding this clarification.
I appreciate Denise’s hastily written comment. As others have noted, ‘feelings’ are missing from this thread—strong feelings that many people (women) are feeling. Her reactive comment gives us a good glimpse into the harm being felt, even if it’s hyperbolic .
Fwiw, my read of Denise’s comment was more like “My previous impression of Owen was that he was an outstanding example of what a decent man should look like, and thus this news is especially disappointing and devastating”, rather than something like “Owen was the last decent man, and this shows that there are no decent men”.
Or: “learning of this significantly updated my assessment of the number of decent men downward, especially in EA.”
As a man, I wasn’t offended in light of the circumstances of the statement (though I don’t speak for all men).
Although I’m not endorsing the wording, the message that Owen’s behavior harmed people other than those directly involved, and eroded community trust in multiple ways, is an important message for him and others to hear.
However, I completely understand why Lizka wrote the mod comment and think it was a balanced comment.
This was also my interpretation, though I can imagine others interpreting it differently.
I would also like to clarify that I strongly disagreed (but didn’t downvote) Denise’s post strictly in response to the final paragraph, to express something like “Let’s not overreact to recent events. EA has accomplished great things and will likely recover from these setbacks. And I hope you don’t leave EA, Denise!” This strikes me as a case where the meaning of the disagree vote count is particularly opaque, so it seemed worth adding this clarification.
I appreciate Denise’s hastily written comment. As others have noted, ‘feelings’ are missing from this thread—strong feelings that many people (women) are feeling. Her reactive comment gives us a good glimpse into the harm being felt, even if it’s hyperbolic .