Rereading your post, it does make sense now that you were thinking of safety teams at the big labs, but both the title about “selling out” and point #3 about “capabilities people” versus “safety people” made me think you had working on capabilities in mind.
If you think it’s “fair game to tell them that you think their approach will be ineffective or that they should consider switching to a role at another organization to avoid causing accidental harm,” then I’m confused about the framing of the post as being “please don’t criticize EAs who ‘sell out’,” since this seems like “criticizing” to me. It also seems important to sometimes do this even when unsolicited, contra point 2. If the point is to avoid alienating people by making them feel attacked, then I agree, but the norms proposed here go a lot further than that.
Rereading your post, it does make sense now that you were thinking of safety teams at the big labs, but both the title about “selling out” and point #3 about “capabilities people” versus “safety people” made me think you had working on capabilities in mind.
Yes! I realize that “capabilities people” was not a good choice of words. It’s a shorthand based on phrases I’ve heard people use at events.
Rereading your post, it does make sense now that you were thinking of safety teams at the big labs, but both the title about “selling out” and point #3 about “capabilities people” versus “safety people” made me think you had working on capabilities in mind.
If you think it’s “fair game to tell them that you think their approach will be ineffective or that they should consider switching to a role at another organization to avoid causing accidental harm,” then I’m confused about the framing of the post as being “please don’t criticize EAs who ‘sell out’,” since this seems like “criticizing” to me. It also seems important to sometimes do this even when unsolicited, contra point 2. If the point is to avoid alienating people by making them feel attacked, then I agree, but the norms proposed here go a lot further than that.
Yes! I realize that “capabilities people” was not a good choice of words. It’s a shorthand based on phrases I’ve heard people use at events.