I think your characterization of my thought process is completely false for what it’s worth. I went out of my way multiple times to say that I was not expressing disapproval of Dale’s comment.
Edit: Maybe it’s helpful for me to clarify that I think it’s both good for Dale to write his comment, and for Khorton to write hers.
I think your characterization of my thought process is completely false for what it’s worth. I went out of my way multiple times to say that I was not expressing disapproval of Dale’s comment.
That’s certainly better news than the alternative, but I hope you find it understandable that I don’t update to 100% believing your claim, given that you may not have full introspective access to all of your own cognitive processes, and what appears to me to be a series of anomalies that is otherwise hard to explain. But I’m certainly willing to grant this for the purposes of further discussion.
Edit: Maybe it’s helpful for me to clarify that I think it’s both good for Dale to write his comment, and for Khorton to write hers.
It’s helpful and confusing at the same time. If you think it was good for Dale to write his comment, the existence of Khorton’s downvote and highly upvoted (at the time) comment giving a very short explanation of the downvote serves as a clear discouragement for Dale or others against writing a similar comment in the future (given what a downvote means to most EAF participants and what Khorton usually means to convey by a downvote according to her own words). Perhaps you actually mean something like either of the following?
It would have been good if Khorton just suggested that Dale be more sympathetic without the downvoting.
It would have been good for Khorton to write her comment if Dale and others interpreted Khorton’s downvote and comment the way you interpreted it (i.e., as merely a suggestion to do better next time, as opposed to a judgment that the overall merit of the comment isn’t high enough to belong to the forum).
I think we just disagree about what a downvote means, but I’m not really that excited to argue about something that meta :).
As another data point, I appreciated Dicentra’s comment elsewhere in the thread. I haven’t decided whether I agree with it, but I thought it demonstrated empathy for all sides of a difficult issue even while disagreeing with the OP, and articulated an important perspective.
The series of seemingly elementary errors in Jacob’s recent comments, which were puzzling to me given his obviously high level of reasoning abilities. I tried to point them out in my earlier comments and don’t want to repeat them all again, but for example, his insistent defense/support of Khorton’s downvote based on his own very mild interpretation of what a downvote means, when it seems clear that what’s more important in judging the consequences and appropriateness of the downvote is how Khorton, Dale, and most other EAF participants are likely to understand it, and then ignoring my arguments and evidence around this after I pointed them out to him.
Thanks for explaining. I don’t wish to engage further here [feel free to reply though of course], but FWIW I don’t agree that there are any reasoning errors in Jacob’s post or any anomalies to explain. I think you are strongly focused on a part of the conversation that is of particular importance to you (something along the lines of whether people who are not motivated or skilled at expressing sympathy will be welcome here), while Jacob is mostly focused on other aspects.
I think you are strongly focused on a part of the conversation that is of particular importance to you (something along the lines of whether people who are not motivated or skilled at expressing sympathy will be welcome here), while Jacob is mostly focused on other aspects.
This seems clearly true to me, but I don’t see how it explains the things that I’m puzzled by. I will stop here as well, as my previous comment answering your question was downvoted to negative karma, perhaps indicating that such discussion (or my specific way of discussing it) is not appropriate for this forum.
I think your characterization of my thought process is completely false for what it’s worth. I went out of my way multiple times to say that I was not expressing disapproval of Dale’s comment.
Edit: Maybe it’s helpful for me to clarify that I think it’s both good for Dale to write his comment, and for Khorton to write hers.
That’s certainly better news than the alternative, but I hope you find it understandable that I don’t update to 100% believing your claim, given that you may not have full introspective access to all of your own cognitive processes, and what appears to me to be a series of anomalies that is otherwise hard to explain. But I’m certainly willing to grant this for the purposes of further discussion.
It’s helpful and confusing at the same time. If you think it was good for Dale to write his comment, the existence of Khorton’s downvote and highly upvoted (at the time) comment giving a very short explanation of the downvote serves as a clear discouragement for Dale or others against writing a similar comment in the future (given what a downvote means to most EAF participants and what Khorton usually means to convey by a downvote according to her own words). Perhaps you actually mean something like either of the following?
It would have been good if Khorton just suggested that Dale be more sympathetic without the downvoting.
It would have been good for Khorton to write her comment if Dale and others interpreted Khorton’s downvote and comment the way you interpreted it (i.e., as merely a suggestion to do better next time, as opposed to a judgment that the overall merit of the comment isn’t high enough to belong to the forum).
I think we just disagree about what a downvote means, but I’m not really that excited to argue about something that meta :).
As another data point, I appreciated Dicentra’s comment elsewhere in the thread. I haven’t decided whether I agree with it, but I thought it demonstrated empathy for all sides of a difficult issue even while disagreeing with the OP, and articulated an important perspective.
What do you believe needs explaining?
The series of seemingly elementary errors in Jacob’s recent comments, which were puzzling to me given his obviously high level of reasoning abilities. I tried to point them out in my earlier comments and don’t want to repeat them all again, but for example, his insistent defense/support of Khorton’s downvote based on his own very mild interpretation of what a downvote means, when it seems clear that what’s more important in judging the consequences and appropriateness of the downvote is how Khorton, Dale, and most other EAF participants are likely to understand it, and then ignoring my arguments and evidence around this after I pointed them out to him.
Thanks for explaining. I don’t wish to engage further here [feel free to reply though of course], but FWIW I don’t agree that there are any reasoning errors in Jacob’s post or any anomalies to explain. I think you are strongly focused on a part of the conversation that is of particular importance to you (something along the lines of whether people who are not motivated or skilled at expressing sympathy will be welcome here), while Jacob is mostly focused on other aspects.
This seems clearly true to me, but I don’t see how it explains the things that I’m puzzled by. I will stop here as well, as my previous comment answering your question was downvoted to negative karma, perhaps indicating that such discussion (or my specific way of discussing it) is not appropriate for this forum.
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