As someone who a) is an undergraduate, working toward a major that does not open many EA doors (English) and b) is not very familiar with the EA community, I found the 80,000 Hours guide helpful for the following reasons:
It opened me up to the idea that there are probably lots of satisfying careers out there for me. Previously I’d only considered careers in two very narrow fields related to my immediate interests and talents.
It did not make me want to pursue the most impactful job. It made me want to find my most impactful job. Advice like “Don’t do something you won’t enjoy in order to have more impact” was helpful in getting me to think this way.
It specifically brought operations management to my attention as a field where I might excel.
Points of criticism/overall not-great experiences:
Before I saw operations management, I felt lost. Believing that no priority path was open to me, I couldn’t determine what my actual best career path was; I just had examples of some other non-priority paths to consider.
The two(?) places in the guide with a disclaimer of “Actually this is misleading but we haven’t fixed it yet, please see [blog post]” were a little bizarre. Ultimately I felt compelled to read the guide post and then disregard it.
This might change as I dig more into 80k’s resources, but for now, I still don’t have a great sense of:
how to get a job doing operations management for an EA organization or EA cause area
how competitive these positions are
whether ops management will still be a skill bottleneck in 5-10 years
in the event that I build up the skills needed for ops management and then don’t end up in an EA ops job (because it’s not marginally important anymore, or because it’s too competitive), whether there will still be high-impact career paths available to me
Because of these uncertainties—especially the last two bullet points—I’m not sure whether orienting myself toward an EA operations management job is the best use of my current resources.
An interesting data point is that the current Director of Operations at Open Philanthropy, Beth Jones, was previously the Chief Operating Officer of the Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign.
On the other hand, the four operations associates most recently hired by OpenPhil have impressive but not overwhelmingly intimidating backgrounds. I’d like to know how many applied for those four positions.
It did not make me want to pursue the most impactful job. It made me want to find my most impactful job. Advice like “Don’t do something you won’t enjoy in order to have more impact” was helpful in getting me to think this way.
I think this is super important, and the current guide does a good job of emphasizing it with the multiplicative effect of personal fit.
whether ops management will still be a skill bottleneck in 5-10 years
I think getting 5-10 year forecasts for different careers would be really helpful for many career paths, especially ancillary ones like operations which can be really important if they get bottlenecked.
This may be more difficult to estimate versus a research role, since its likely current EA orgs will expand in the near future and need more analysts, but its probably harder to say for other roles—although I think it’s super important. Also, since 80K focusing on mid-level and senior roles, and filling immediate vacancies they may not prioritize this.
As someone who a) is an undergraduate, working toward a major that does not open many EA doors (English) and b) is not very familiar with the EA community, I found the 80,000 Hours guide helpful for the following reasons:
It opened me up to the idea that there are probably lots of satisfying careers out there for me. Previously I’d only considered careers in two very narrow fields related to my immediate interests and talents.
It did not make me want to pursue the most impactful job. It made me want to find my most impactful job. Advice like “Don’t do something you won’t enjoy in order to have more impact” was helpful in getting me to think this way.
It specifically brought operations management to my attention as a field where I might excel.
Points of criticism/overall not-great experiences:
Before I saw operations management, I felt lost. Believing that no priority path was open to me, I couldn’t determine what my actual best career path was; I just had examples of some other non-priority paths to consider.
The two(?) places in the guide with a disclaimer of “Actually this is misleading but we haven’t fixed it yet, please see [blog post]” were a little bizarre. Ultimately I felt compelled to read the guide post and then disregard it.
This might change as I dig more into 80k’s resources, but for now, I still don’t have a great sense of:
how to get a job doing operations management for an EA organization or EA cause area
how competitive these positions are
whether ops management will still be a skill bottleneck in 5-10 years
in the event that I build up the skills needed for ops management and then don’t end up in an EA ops job (because it’s not marginally important anymore, or because it’s too competitive), whether there will still be high-impact career paths available to me
Because of these uncertainties—especially the last two bullet points—I’m not sure whether orienting myself toward an EA operations management job is the best use of my current resources.
An interesting data point is that the current Director of Operations at Open Philanthropy, Beth Jones, was previously the Chief Operating Officer of the Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign.
On the other hand, the four operations associates most recently hired by OpenPhil have impressive but not overwhelmingly intimidating backgrounds. I’d like to know how many applied for those four positions.
I think this is super important, and the current guide does a good job of emphasizing it with the multiplicative effect of personal fit.
I think getting 5-10 year forecasts for different careers would be really helpful for many career paths, especially ancillary ones like operations which can be really important if they get bottlenecked.
This may be more difficult to estimate versus a research role, since its likely current EA orgs will expand in the near future and need more analysts, but its probably harder to say for other roles—although I think it’s super important. Also, since 80K focusing on mid-level and senior roles, and filling immediate vacancies they may not prioritize this.