If you think you’re justified in c-preferring the SWP donation, then Anthony’s claim is disproved. But Anthony has said he doesn’t consider this a counterexample, so it seems unlikely that offering more candidate counterexamples would move the debate forward.
That’s especially so since I think the scope of Anthony’s claim is intended to rule out other candidate counterexamples, e.g.:
You’re trapped in a box that you know for sure will implode in 10 seconds. There’s a puppy in there with you. You’re justified in c-preferring not kicking the puppy to kicking the puppy.
That seems true to me, but I think this pair of actions falls outside the scope of Anthony’s claim. He’s talking about actions with effects that aren’t so tightly limited in space and time.
So the debate calls for something more than just a bare counterexample. As Anthony says in another comment, I try to give that ‘something more’ in my post. Donating $5 to MAWF is justifiably c-dispreferred to some mixed action, as is any other action that fails the ‘flanking variants’ test. That likely rules out almost all actions.
Yeah, I think it’s easy to find a counterexample to “unconditional cluelessness” (i.e., even in the box situation), but much harder to find one relevant to what you and I should do in our present non-simplified situations (which is presumably what Anthony meant for us to discuss).
I don’t think that’s so surprising. There are obvious candidate counterexamples, e.g.:
If you think you’re justified in c-preferring the SWP donation, then Anthony’s claim is disproved. But Anthony has said he doesn’t consider this a counterexample, so it seems unlikely that offering more candidate counterexamples would move the debate forward.
That’s especially so since I think the scope of Anthony’s claim is intended to rule out other candidate counterexamples, e.g.:
That seems true to me, but I think this pair of actions falls outside the scope of Anthony’s claim. He’s talking about actions with effects that aren’t so tightly limited in space and time.
So the debate calls for something more than just a bare counterexample. As Anthony says in another comment, I try to give that ‘something more’ in my post. Donating $5 to MAWF is justifiably c-dispreferred to some mixed action, as is any other action that fails the ‘flanking variants’ test. That likely rules out almost all actions.
Yeah, I think it’s easy to find a counterexample to “unconditional cluelessness” (i.e., even in the box situation), but much harder to find one relevant to what you and I should do in our present non-simplified situations (which is presumably what Anthony meant for us to discuss).