Those radicalization factors you mentioned increase the likelihood for terrorism but are not necessary. Saying that people don’t commit terror from reading philosophical papers and thus those papers are innocent and shouldn’t be criticized is a pretty weak argument. Of course, such papers can influence people. The radicalization process starts with philosophy, so to say that first step doesn’t matter because the subsequent steps aren’t yet publicly apparent shows that you are knowingly trying to allow this form of radicalization to flourish. Although, NUEs do in fact meet the other criteria you mentioned. For instance, I doubt that they have confidence in legitimately influencing policy (ie. convincing the government to burn down all the forests).
FRI and its parent EA Foundation state that they are not philosophy organizations and exists solely to incite action. I agree that terrorism has not in the past been motivated purely by destruction. That is something that atheist extremists who call themselves effective altruists are founding.
I am not a troll. I am concerned about public safety. My city almost burned to ashes last year due to a forest fire, and I don’t want others to have to go through that. Anybody read about all the people in Portugal dying from a forest fire recently? That’s the kind of thing that NUEs are promoting and I’m trying to prevent. If you’re wondering why I don’t elaborate my position on “EAs” promoting terrorism/genocide, it is for two reasons. One, it is self-evident if you read Tomasik and FRI materials (not all of it, but some articles). And two, I can easily cause a negative effect by connecting the dots for those susceptible to the message or giving them destructive ideas they may not have thought of.
Those radicalization factors you mentioned increase the likelihood for terrorism but are not necessary
Yeah, and you probably think that being a negative utilitarian increases the likelihood for terrorism, but it’s not necessary either. In the real world we deal with probabilities and expectations, not speculations and fantasies.
Saying that people don’t commit terror from reading philosophical papers and thus those papers are innocent and shouldn’t be criticized is a pretty weak argument. Of course, such papers can influence people. The radicalization process starts with philosophy
This is silly handwaving. The radicalization process starts with being born. It doesn’t matter where things ‘start’ in the abstract sense, what matters is what causes the actual phenomenon of terrorism to occur.
to say that first step doesn’t matter because the subsequent steps aren’t yet publicly apparent shows that you are knowingly trying to allow this form of radicalization to flourish
So your head is too far up your own ass to even accept the possibility that someone who has actually studied international relations and counterinsurgency strategy knows that you are full of shit. Cool.
I am not a troll. I am concerned about public safety.
You are a textbook concern troll.
My city almost burned to ashes last year due to a forest fire, and I don’t want others to have to go through that
Welcome to EA, honey. Everyone here is altruistic, you can’t get special treatment.
That’s the kind of thing that NUEs are promoting
But they’re not. You think they’re promoting it, or at least you want people to think they’re promoting it. But that’s your own opinion, so presenting it like this constitutes defamation.
If you’re wondering why I don’t elaborate my position on “EAs” promoting terrorism/genocide, it is for two reasons. One, it is self-evident if you read Tomasik and FRI materials (not all of it, but some articles).
But I have read those materials. And it’s not self-evident. And other people have read those articles and they don’t find them self-evident either. Actually, it’s self-evident that they don’t promote it, if you read some of their materials.
And two, I can easily cause a negative effect by connecting the dots for those susceptible to the message or giving them destructive ideas they may not have thought of.
What bullshit. If you actually worried about this then you wouldn’t be saying that it’s a direct, self-evident conclusion of their beliefs. So either you don’t know what you’re doing, or you’re arguing in bad faith. Probably both.
Those radicalization factors you mentioned increase the likelihood for terrorism but are not necessary. Saying that people don’t commit terror from reading philosophical papers and thus those papers are innocent and shouldn’t be criticized is a pretty weak argument. Of course, such papers can influence people. The radicalization process starts with philosophy, so to say that first step doesn’t matter because the subsequent steps aren’t yet publicly apparent shows that you are knowingly trying to allow this form of radicalization to flourish. Although, NUEs do in fact meet the other criteria you mentioned. For instance, I doubt that they have confidence in legitimately influencing policy (ie. convincing the government to burn down all the forests).
FRI and its parent EA Foundation state that they are not philosophy organizations and exists solely to incite action. I agree that terrorism has not in the past been motivated purely by destruction. That is something that atheist extremists who call themselves effective altruists are founding.
I am not a troll. I am concerned about public safety. My city almost burned to ashes last year due to a forest fire, and I don’t want others to have to go through that. Anybody read about all the people in Portugal dying from a forest fire recently? That’s the kind of thing that NUEs are promoting and I’m trying to prevent. If you’re wondering why I don’t elaborate my position on “EAs” promoting terrorism/genocide, it is for two reasons. One, it is self-evident if you read Tomasik and FRI materials (not all of it, but some articles). And two, I can easily cause a negative effect by connecting the dots for those susceptible to the message or giving them destructive ideas they may not have thought of.
Yeah, and you probably think that being a negative utilitarian increases the likelihood for terrorism, but it’s not necessary either. In the real world we deal with probabilities and expectations, not speculations and fantasies.
This is silly handwaving. The radicalization process starts with being born. It doesn’t matter where things ‘start’ in the abstract sense, what matters is what causes the actual phenomenon of terrorism to occur.
So your head is too far up your own ass to even accept the possibility that someone who has actually studied international relations and counterinsurgency strategy knows that you are full of shit. Cool.
You are a textbook concern troll.
Welcome to EA, honey. Everyone here is altruistic, you can’t get special treatment.
But they’re not. You think they’re promoting it, or at least you want people to think they’re promoting it. But that’s your own opinion, so presenting it like this constitutes defamation.
But I have read those materials. And it’s not self-evident. And other people have read those articles and they don’t find them self-evident either. Actually, it’s self-evident that they don’t promote it, if you read some of their materials.
What bullshit. If you actually worried about this then you wouldn’t be saying that it’s a direct, self-evident conclusion of their beliefs. So either you don’t know what you’re doing, or you’re arguing in bad faith. Probably both.