I think everyone agrees OCB overstepped (he’s admitted as much) and people are of different opinion on how much blood they’re after.
This, along with the time article, are seen as proof of a “problem” that needs a “solution.”
This thread offers a potential solution. It asks the question: would you be willing to enforce a taboo against (most?) heterosexual relationships in the community in order to almost totally eliminate sexual misconduct?
The overwhelming response is a resounding no. It doesn’t appeal to anyone. Totally throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There’s a continuum: uncomfortable/awkward, inappropriate (misconduct), harassment, assault .
In the US at least, assault is criminal so that’s the bare minimum amount of enforcement and done at the federal/legal level. OCB was accused of something between misconduct and harassments I think. I think everyone agrees that harassment and assault is bad. We would like to eliminate all misconduct but what is and isn’t appropriate really becomes subjective quick. And as we’ve seen from this thread there is no appetite to project people from the merely uncomfortable.
So I don’t think there is any “solution” because this isn’t a problem that can be “solved.” Yes, we can always “do better” because the issue can never really 100% go away. The conversation should revolve around what the community’s preferred trade-offs are.
I think you’re misstating what the post actually says, but
The overwhelming response is a resounding no
seems wrong. The one poll shows overwhelming support for the recommendation.
I think the side that doesn’t want to give up sleeping around is being louder in the comments but if you look at agreevotes of the more prominent comments on each side, the side that’s agreeing with this post is seeing much more support than the side that’s against it.
You’re absolutely right, I missed that poll. Thanks for pointing it out.
It has very hedged language: “strongly recommend considering refraining” which might technically make the poll totally silly but I imagine people voted on the view the poll was representing (I mean, technically who would vote against just ‘considering’ something?).
I don’t know how to initiate polls. Would love to see one broken down by gender and self-reported “status” in addition to the equivalent recommendation with gender-neutral language. It takes two for each instance of “sleeping around” after all.
I mean this proposal is a conjuction of a lot of recommendations some of which seem reasonable some of which seem unreasonable to me, so I abstained ?(despite being against discouraging casual relationships more broadly)
I think everyone agrees OCB overstepped (he’s admitted as much) and people are of different opinion on how much blood they’re after.
This, along with the time article, are seen as proof of a “problem” that needs a “solution.”
This thread offers a potential solution. It asks the question: would you be willing to enforce a taboo against (most?) heterosexual relationships in the community in order to almost totally eliminate sexual misconduct?
The overwhelming response is a resounding no. It doesn’t appeal to anyone. Totally throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There’s a continuum: uncomfortable/awkward, inappropriate (misconduct), harassment, assault .
In the US at least, assault is criminal so that’s the bare minimum amount of enforcement and done at the federal/legal level. OCB was accused of something between misconduct and harassments I think. I think everyone agrees that harassment and assault is bad. We would like to eliminate all misconduct but what is and isn’t appropriate really becomes subjective quick. And as we’ve seen from this thread there is no appetite to project people from the merely uncomfortable.
So I don’t think there is any “solution” because this isn’t a problem that can be “solved.” Yes, we can always “do better” because the issue can never really 100% go away. The conversation should revolve around what the community’s preferred trade-offs are.
I think you’re misstating what the post actually says, but
seems wrong. The one poll shows overwhelming support for the recommendation.
I think the side that doesn’t want to give up sleeping around is being louder in the comments but if you look at agreevotes of the more prominent comments on each side, the side that’s agreeing with this post is seeing much more support than the side that’s against it.
Ah, the silent majority and the vocal minority.
You’re absolutely right, I missed that poll. Thanks for pointing it out.
It has very hedged language: “strongly recommend considering refraining” which might technically make the poll totally silly but I imagine people voted on the view the poll was representing (I mean, technically who would vote against just ‘considering’ something?).
I don’t know how to initiate polls. Would love to see one broken down by gender and self-reported “status” in addition to the equivalent recommendation with gender-neutral language. It takes two for each instance of “sleeping around” after all.
I mean this proposal is a conjuction of a lot of recommendations some of which seem reasonable some of which seem unreasonable to me, so I abstained ?(despite being against discouraging casual relationships more broadly)