Thanks for the thought our response! I suppose the main difference is that we have very diverging ideas of what the EA community is and what it will/should become.
I’ve been on the fringe of EA for years, just learning about concepts and donating but never been part of the tighter group so to speak. I see EA as a question—how do we do the most good with the resources available?
Poly is definitely something historically related to the early movement, but I guess I just disagree that the trade off of reputation and attacks over sexual harassment issues etc are positive because of vague notions of fun.
Also—if the EA community creates massive burnout maybe we should change the way we approach our communications and epistemics instead of accepting that and saying we’ll cope by having casual sex. That doesn’t seem like a good road to go down especially long term.
Thanks! Hm well I agree about other ways to tend to burnout I just think it might be a bit of a moot point from what I’ve seen and there may be something in the nature of EA about it. I have now edited my comment based on your thoughts. I think you will kinda get what I mean more about “fun” and of “mitigating burnout” now. I also added something I meant to add but had forgotten: EA as utopian testing grounds. Maybe you will agree with me that this is what the community could become?
Sorry to do you like that (edit rather than give a point by point response), but I might turn it into a big post. The new stuff is in brackets.
If you have more thoughts I’d love to hear them. I def appreciate the feedback.
A last thought is that this community seems to have trouble with slippery slope language.
Morally neutral until proven otherwise and can absolutely be done in transparent ethical ways without throwing out the baby with the bathwater: casual hookups in community>>>casual dating in community>>>relationships in community>>>open relationships>>>polyamory>>>relationships and dating across departments (but likely not within departments and definitely not where there may be conflict of interest)
Bad or risky by nature: Professional misconduct>>>sexism>>>sexist preferential treatment>>>sexist avoidant or dismissive treatment>>>purely self-interested behavior>>>sexual misconduct>>>sexually-inappropriate professional misconduct>>>conflict of interest relationships>>>sexual harrassment>>>sexual coercion>>>sexual assault>>>rape
All these are really different. I appreciated that OP was pretty careful about that, but I think I note that you are starting to slip and making connections where we really don’t know there are any.
Thanks for the thought our response! I suppose the main difference is that we have very diverging ideas of what the EA community is and what it will/should become.
I’ve been on the fringe of EA for years, just learning about concepts and donating but never been part of the tighter group so to speak. I see EA as a question—how do we do the most good with the resources available?
Poly is definitely something historically related to the early movement, but I guess I just disagree that the trade off of reputation and attacks over sexual harassment issues etc are positive because of vague notions of fun.
Also—if the EA community creates massive burnout maybe we should change the way we approach our communications and epistemics instead of accepting that and saying we’ll cope by having casual sex. That doesn’t seem like a good road to go down especially long term.
Then again I don’t have short AI timelines.
Thanks! Hm well I agree about other ways to tend to burnout I just think it might be a bit of a moot point from what I’ve seen and there may be something in the nature of EA about it. I have now edited my comment based on your thoughts. I think you will kinda get what I mean more about “fun” and of “mitigating burnout” now. I also added something I meant to add but had forgotten: EA as utopian testing grounds. Maybe you will agree with me that this is what the community could become?
Sorry to do you like that (edit rather than give a point by point response), but I might turn it into a big post. The new stuff is in brackets.
If you have more thoughts I’d love to hear them. I def appreciate the feedback.
A last thought is that this community seems to have trouble with slippery slope language.
Morally neutral until proven otherwise and can absolutely be done in transparent ethical ways without throwing out the baby with the bathwater:
casual hookups in community>>>casual dating in community>>>relationships in community>>>open relationships>>>polyamory>>>relationships and dating across departments (but likely not within departments and definitely not where there may be conflict of interest)
Bad or risky by nature:
Professional misconduct>>>sexism>>>sexist preferential treatment>>>sexist avoidant or dismissive treatment>>>purely self-interested behavior>>>sexual misconduct>>>sexually-inappropriate professional misconduct>>>conflict of interest relationships>>>sexual harrassment>>>sexual coercion>>>sexual assault>>>rape
All these are really different. I appreciated that OP was pretty careful about that, but I think I note that you are starting to slip and making connections where we really don’t know there are any.