It reads like progressive/feminist/woke advocacy. If you’re saying it’s not, can you give an example of an issue on which you disagree with the progressive/feminist/woke viewpoint?
If you’re saying it’s not, can you give an example of an issue on which you disagree with the progressive/feminist/woke viewpoint?
I’ve downvoted this comment. It’s not explicitly against the forum norms (maybe this?), but my personal view is that comments like these feel like you’re asking someone to prove their tribe, and are divisive without being meaningfully useful.
I think if you are making a claim that this reads like progressive / feminist / woke advocacy, the burden of proof is on you to support your claim (i.e. it’s more helpful to provide excerpts from the post that you think are poorly worded or read like they seem like an advocacy piece). Otherwise someone else can come along and just say “Ok sure, I don’t think this reads like progressive / feminist / woke advocacy”.
I think a charitable interpretation of your question is that you want to know if the author is “non-progressive / nonfeminist / nonwoke” in order to help you decide whether this post is in fact advocacy that advances those political aims. But I don’t think asking this question is even helpful for that? Perhaps they share some views on the pay gap or minimum wage or intersectionality. How do the author’s position on these reliably show whether this post is “progressive / feminist / woke advocacy”? It just also risks going down a completely unrelated discussion. In any case, given this is a pseudonym, they could literally just lie about a position.
The point of the top-level comment is that “progressives” commonly claim to be against gender discrimination and double standards, and then immediately call for gender discrimination and double standards targeted against men.
Perhaps I made a mistake in assuming the author was Left-wing, though I have trouble imagining that any kind of conservative, libertarian, or right-wing populist writing the piece. Could you?
Perhaps you think this is derailing discussion by introducing “politics” into a “non-political” topic. But to me this whole question is “political.” It doesn’t involve narrow government policy questions, but it’s related to the whole Left-Right culture war that began at least around 2012, if not earlier. Denying that seems like missing the forest for the trees.
I can understand wanting to avoid people behaving “tribally” and encouraging them to think through each issue individually instead of mindlessly adopting all the views of their “tribe.” But the bottom line is this: there seems to me to be a large group out there who say they think gender equality is a paramount value but actually think gender discrimination is fine so long as women aren’t the ones being targeted. Whatever you want to label them progressive, feminist, woke, etc., they seem to exist. How should I bring up the issue without being too divisive or info-hazardy?
It reads like progressive/feminist/woke advocacy. If you’re saying it’s not, can you give an example of an issue on which you disagree with the progressive/feminist/woke viewpoint?
idk man I feel like I’m pushing back on this from something close to a mainstream sex-positive feminist viewpoint? the left is not homogeneous?
I’ve downvoted this comment. It’s not explicitly against the forum norms (maybe this?), but my personal view is that comments like these feel like you’re asking someone to prove their tribe, and are divisive without being meaningfully useful.
I think if you are making a claim that this reads like progressive / feminist / woke advocacy, the burden of proof is on you to support your claim (i.e. it’s more helpful to provide excerpts from the post that you think are poorly worded or read like they seem like an advocacy piece). Otherwise someone else can come along and just say “Ok sure, I don’t think this reads like progressive / feminist / woke advocacy”.
I think a charitable interpretation of your question is that you want to know if the author is “non-progressive / nonfeminist / nonwoke” in order to help you decide whether this post is in fact advocacy that advances those political aims. But I don’t think asking this question is even helpful for that? Perhaps they share some views on the pay gap or minimum wage or intersectionality. How do the author’s position on these reliably show whether this post is “progressive / feminist / woke advocacy”? It just also risks going down a completely unrelated discussion. In any case, given this is a pseudonym, they could literally just lie about a position.
The point of the top-level comment is that “progressives” commonly claim to be against gender discrimination and double standards, and then immediately call for gender discrimination and double standards targeted against men.
Perhaps I made a mistake in assuming the author was Left-wing, though I have trouble imagining that any kind of conservative, libertarian, or right-wing populist writing the piece. Could you?
Perhaps you think this is derailing discussion by introducing “politics” into a “non-political” topic. But to me this whole question is “political.” It doesn’t involve narrow government policy questions, but it’s related to the whole Left-Right culture war that began at least around 2012, if not earlier. Denying that seems like missing the forest for the trees.
I can understand wanting to avoid people behaving “tribally” and encouraging them to think through each issue individually instead of mindlessly adopting all the views of their “tribe.” But the bottom line is this: there seems to me to be a large group out there who say they think gender equality is a paramount value but actually think gender discrimination is fine so long as women aren’t the ones being targeted. Whatever you want to label them progressive, feminist, woke, etc., they seem to exist. How should I bring up the issue without being too divisive or info-hazardy?
Telling people to “consider not sleeping around” does not sound like a classical left-wing position to my American political ears.