Conversely, people who have work/life balance can feel threatened by people who only care about effective altruism. If those people exist, does that mean you have to be one?
I experience a version of this. I think I’m very unlikely to feel fulfilled working on any high-priority issue without a clear work/life split, which makes me apprehensive of taking up a ‘seat’ that could have been taken by someone who’d have worked 80 hour weeks and vastly outperformed me.
I also have a softer concern about fitting in at companies that are mostly made up of dedicates: this is my outside perception of the AI safety space for example. Am I really likely to gel effectively with that culture, or might my non-dedicate status mean I end up being a net-negative addition to the team?
I guess what I’m saying is I’d l appreciate a ‘Considerations for Non-Dedicates’ section on this post!
makes me apprehensive of taking up a ‘seat’ that could have been taken by someone who’d have worked 80 hour weeks and vastly outperformed me.
As a fellow non-dedicate, I like to discuss expectations around working hours in the “any questions” section of an interview anyway, since personally I wouldn’t want to accept a job where they expect a lot more than a 40-hour week from me. That way, they also get this info about me to use in their decision, so I know if they make me an offer they think I’m the best candidate, having considered these factors. I think being open like this is probably the best way to treat this area of uncertainty (rather than not applying), since the employer will have the better overview of other candidates.
(EDIT: To be clear, I don’t think it’s necessary to raise this at this stage: the employer seems unlikely to assume that applicants will work more than a standard working week by default, since many people don’t do that. And I don’t think it makes sense for the burden to be on people who will only work a standard working week to raise that in the recruitment process. I just mean that if you’re concerned about the effect of accepting a job where you’ll perform less well because of sticking to standard hours, I think discussing it with the employer before accepting is a good way to handle that.)
might my non-dedicate status mean I end up being a net-negative addition to the team?
I think that having people with clear work/life split around can also be helpful. Partly since it helps make the culture more welcoming to other such people and, as Ozymandias argues, being open to non-dedicates is often helpful. But I also think the added diversity of perspectives can be helpful for everyone: for example it could help dedicates have a better work/life balance, in cases where they’re too far towards the “work” end on pure-impact grounds. For example, they might not naturally think of ideas for work/life boundaries that, after they’re raised, they would endorse on impact grounds. (I don’t think it’s clearly always better to add more non-dedicates to a work environment or anything, but I think there are considerations in both directions.)
I experience a version of this. I think I’m very unlikely to feel fulfilled working on any high-priority issue without a clear work/life split, which makes me apprehensive of taking up a ‘seat’ that could have been taken by someone who’d have worked 80 hour weeks and vastly outperformed me.
I also have a softer concern about fitting in at companies that are mostly made up of dedicates: this is my outside perception of the AI safety space for example. Am I really likely to gel effectively with that culture, or might my non-dedicate status mean I end up being a net-negative addition to the team?
I guess what I’m saying is I’d l appreciate a ‘Considerations for Non-Dedicates’ section on this post!
As a fellow non-dedicate, I like to discuss expectations around working hours in the “any questions” section of an interview anyway, since personally I wouldn’t want to accept a job where they expect a lot more than a 40-hour week from me. That way, they also get this info about me to use in their decision, so I know if they make me an offer they think I’m the best candidate, having considered these factors. I think being open like this is probably the best way to treat this area of uncertainty (rather than not applying), since the employer will have the better overview of other candidates.
(EDIT: To be clear, I don’t think it’s necessary to raise this at this stage: the employer seems unlikely to assume that applicants will work more than a standard working week by default, since many people don’t do that. And I don’t think it makes sense for the burden to be on people who will only work a standard working week to raise that in the recruitment process. I just mean that if you’re concerned about the effect of accepting a job where you’ll perform less well because of sticking to standard hours, I think discussing it with the employer before accepting is a good way to handle that.)
I think that having people with clear work/life split around can also be helpful. Partly since it helps make the culture more welcoming to other such people and, as Ozymandias argues, being open to non-dedicates is often helpful. But I also think the added diversity of perspectives can be helpful for everyone: for example it could help dedicates have a better work/life balance, in cases where they’re too far towards the “work” end on pure-impact grounds. For example, they might not naturally think of ideas for work/life boundaries that, after they’re raised, they would endorse on impact grounds. (I don’t think it’s clearly always better to add more non-dedicates to a work environment or anything, but I think there are considerations in both directions.)
(Views my own, not my employer’s.)