Yup: attract on altruism, upskill on effectiveness. However I have sometimes noticed that altruist-first groups tend to have social ingroup/āoutgroup judgment criteria on how long one has been an altruist (see e.g. the vegan societyās positions of power being occupied by people with long-time āvegan credentialsā) rather than focusing on the now and the future. They also can place additional value on ineffectively-altruist actions primarily as social signals (e.g. promoting veganism over lacto-vegetarianism really hard for animal welfare reasons despite the fact that all your lifetime dairy consumption equates to roughly one cow.) Itās all part of group-bonding against a sort of āenemyā. And it can be super off-putting to those who are effective but āupskilling on altruismā, and possibly drive them away. Itās a social dynamic youāve gotta find a way through as an EA group organiser.
We might see each other sometime! My postdoc sometimes takes me to Bristol, and Iām keen to get you lot vaguely joined up with NTR-Net that hangs out at your uni. Chris Clay is starting at Bristol doing Maths this yearāwas up with me at EA in the Lakes, is keen.
Awesome, thanks for that additional insight. I agree with the potential for these dynamics and will try to be cognisant of them as Bristol kicks off soon!
Ah, awesome. Let me know if youāre ever around! And yeah, I know Chris. Heās great. Heās helping organise this year, so Iām excited for him to be involved.
Yup: attract on altruism, upskill on effectiveness. However I have sometimes noticed that altruist-first groups tend to have social ingroup/āoutgroup judgment criteria on how long one has been an altruist (see e.g. the vegan societyās positions of power being occupied by people with long-time āvegan credentialsā) rather than focusing on the now and the future. They also can place additional value on ineffectively-altruist actions primarily as social signals (e.g. promoting veganism over lacto-vegetarianism really hard for animal welfare reasons despite the fact that all your lifetime dairy consumption equates to roughly one cow.) Itās all part of group-bonding against a sort of āenemyā. And it can be super off-putting to those who are effective but āupskilling on altruismā, and possibly drive them away. Itās a social dynamic youāve gotta find a way through as an EA group organiser.
We might see each other sometime! My postdoc sometimes takes me to Bristol, and Iām keen to get you lot vaguely joined up with NTR-Net that hangs out at your uni. Chris Clay is starting at Bristol doing Maths this yearāwas up with me at EA in the Lakes, is keen.
Awesome, thanks for that additional insight. I agree with the potential for these dynamics and will try to be cognisant of them as Bristol kicks off soon!
Ah, awesome. Let me know if youāre ever around! And yeah, I know Chris. Heās great. Heās helping organise this year, so Iām excited for him to be involved.