I agree with 1, but I think the framing feels forced for point #2.
I donât think itâs obvious that these actions would be strongly in tension with each other. Donating to effective animal charities would correlate quite strongly with being vegan.
Homo economicus deciding what to eat for dinner or something lol.
I actually totally agree that donations are an important part of personal ethics! Also, I am all aboard for the social ripple effects theory of change for effective donation. Hell yes to both of those points. I might have missed it, but I donât know that OP really argues against those contentions? I guess they donât frame it like that though.
I donât understand the relevance of the correlation claim. People who care nothing for animals wonât do either. But that doesnât show that there arenât tradeoffs in how to use oneâs moral efforts on the margins. (Perhaps youâre thinking of each choice as a binary: âdonate someâ Y/âN + âgo veganâ Y/âN? But donating isnât binary. What matters is how much you donate, and my suggestion is that any significant effort spent towards adopting a vegan diet might be better spent on further increasing oneâs donations. It depends on the details, of course. If you find adopting veganism super easy, like near-zero effort required, then great! Not much opportunity cost, then. But others may find that it requires more effort, which could be better used elsewhere.)
Ya, idk, I am just saying that the tradeoff framing feels unnatural. Or, like, maybe thatâs one lens, but I donât actually generally think in terms of tradeoffs b/âw my moral efforts.
Like, I get tired of various things ofc, but itâs not usually just cleanly fungible b/âw different ethical actions I might plausibly take like that. To the extent it really does work this way for you or people you know on this particular tradeoff, then yep; I would say power to ya for the scope sensitivity.
I agree that the quantitative aspect of donation pushes towards even marginal internal tradeoffs here mattering and I donât think I was really thinking about it as necessarily binary.
I agree with 1, but I think the framing feels forced for point #2.
I donât think itâs obvious that these actions would be strongly in tension with each other. Donating to effective animal charities would correlate quite strongly with being vegan.
Homo economicus deciding what to eat for dinner or something lol.
I actually totally agree that donations are an important part of personal ethics! Also, I am all aboard for the social ripple effects theory of change for effective donation. Hell yes to both of those points. I might have missed it, but I donât know that OP really argues against those contentions? I guess they donât frame it like that though.
I donât understand the relevance of the correlation claim. People who care nothing for animals wonât do either. But that doesnât show that there arenât tradeoffs in how to use oneâs moral efforts on the margins. (Perhaps youâre thinking of each choice as a binary: âdonate someâ Y/âN + âgo veganâ Y/âN? But donating isnât binary. What matters is how much you donate, and my suggestion is that any significant effort spent towards adopting a vegan diet might be better spent on further increasing oneâs donations. It depends on the details, of course. If you find adopting veganism super easy, like near-zero effort required, then great! Not much opportunity cost, then. But others may find that it requires more effort, which could be better used elsewhere.)
Ya, idk, I am just saying that the tradeoff framing feels unnatural. Or, like, maybe thatâs one lens, but I donât actually generally think in terms of tradeoffs b/âw my moral efforts.
Like, I get tired of various things ofc, but itâs not usually just cleanly fungible b/âw different ethical actions I might plausibly take like that. To the extent it really does work this way for you or people you know on this particular tradeoff, then yep; I would say power to ya for the scope sensitivity.
I agree that the quantitative aspect of donation pushes towards even marginal internal tradeoffs here mattering and I donât think I was really thinking about it as necessarily binary.