I’m very glad to hear that. How might one go about bringing that movement into their local church? I’ve encountered many Christians who use the second-coming as a reason not to care too much about the long-term future and I don’t know how to reconcile this. I consider myself Agnostic, but some of my Baptist friends have become convinced that since their faith is, well, faith-based, they don’t feel like the moral imperative to do acts beyond tithing.
What’re your thoughts on this?
If there’s any advice or resources you could point me to, that would be excellent.
I think how to bring EA ideas into our local church has been a topic of discussion in the past. Although, it seems up to individual Christian EAs how to go about it, some ideas we had included things like bringing up charities like the Against Malaria Foundation as possible causes for our churches to consider donating to, and speaking individually with church leaders and people we know at the church about concepts like the importance, neglectedness, and tractability framework.
Also, emphasizing Jesus’ teachings, like how “when you give to the least of these, you give to me” (demandingness), or the parable of the talents (effectiveness), or speaking of “you will know them by their fruits” (consequences), can be helpful to encourage a stronger moral imperative.
Regarding the second-coming, EACH has diverse views on eschatology, and some of us tend to focus on present issues like global poverty more than far distant future considerations. Many of us think that God would not allow humanity to go extinct, so Existential Risks are much less of a concern than Suffering Risks, although prudence suggests we should still act to mitigate any kind of risk, existential or not, in the same way we still go to a doctor when we are sick, even though getting sick seems like the Will of God. Also, even from the most fundamentalist perspective, the day and the hour of the second-coming are unknown, and so it is prudent to still make future plans and act with wisdom and consideration.
There are also scriptural passages about descendents being like the stars and grains of sand on the beach, which suggest that the future will be filled with flourishing humans, and it follows that we have a certain degree of responsibility towards them, which can be considered support for a kind of soft Longtermism.
We’re somewhat skeptical of hard Longtermism though, as it seems like the far future is ultimately in the hands of God, and not something we can plan about with much certainty. As Christians, we choose to be particularly humble about what we’re capable of influencing, which is admittedly somewhat different from regular EA thinking.
As for resources, you could join the EACH Facebook Group, and for a bunch of potentially relevant articles there’s the Christ and Counterfactuals substack blog (which is written by a number of EACH members).
As a Christian, I’d add that lots of really bad stuff has happened over the course of human history, like the Black Death. It’s true that longtermists focus more on of value of X-risk reduction in avoiding human extinction, but there’s still considerable value if the worst-case scenario is “only” the death of one-third of the world’s current population.
Depending on the specific congregation, more of an AI ethics approach could also be helpful—I think there’s much in Catholic moral theology in particular that relates to this, although the basic ideas should be present ~everywhere.
Do you think you could elaborate on the second point? I’m personally unfamiliar with Catholic moral theology and would be interested in learning more about the basic ideas that connect to AI ethics.
Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful responses. This has helped me gain an understanding of your perspective. I’m now considering speaking to the head pastor this Sunday about EACH, with what you’ve said in mind. I find that this point in particular stood out to me as reasonable and important.
Also, emphasizing Jesus’ teachings, like how “when you give to the least of these, you give to me” (demandingness), or the parable of the talents (effectiveness), or speaking of “you will know them by their fruits” (consequences), can be helpful to encourage a stronger moral imperative.
Side note: I followed the Christ and Counterfactuals blog and will read more of what they have on there. Philosophy of Religion is somewhat of a natural interest for me, as is the theology of Christianity, so if you know anyone who I should reach out to about potentially contributing to the blog, that would be wonderful. I would love to add to the discussion and body of work.
Hi Joseph,
I’m very glad to hear that. How might one go about bringing that movement into their local church?
I’ve encountered many Christians who use the second-coming as a reason not to care too much about the long-term future and I don’t know how to reconcile this. I consider myself Agnostic, but some of my Baptist friends have become convinced that since their faith is, well, faith-based, they don’t feel like the moral imperative to do acts beyond tithing.
What’re your thoughts on this?
If there’s any advice or resources you could point me to, that would be excellent.
Thank you very much
Hi Aaron,
I think how to bring EA ideas into our local church has been a topic of discussion in the past. Although, it seems up to individual Christian EAs how to go about it, some ideas we had included things like bringing up charities like the Against Malaria Foundation as possible causes for our churches to consider donating to, and speaking individually with church leaders and people we know at the church about concepts like the importance, neglectedness, and tractability framework.
Also, emphasizing Jesus’ teachings, like how “when you give to the least of these, you give to me” (demandingness), or the parable of the talents (effectiveness), or speaking of “you will know them by their fruits” (consequences), can be helpful to encourage a stronger moral imperative.
Regarding the second-coming, EACH has diverse views on eschatology, and some of us tend to focus on present issues like global poverty more than far distant future considerations. Many of us think that God would not allow humanity to go extinct, so Existential Risks are much less of a concern than Suffering Risks, although prudence suggests we should still act to mitigate any kind of risk, existential or not, in the same way we still go to a doctor when we are sick, even though getting sick seems like the Will of God. Also, even from the most fundamentalist perspective, the day and the hour of the second-coming are unknown, and so it is prudent to still make future plans and act with wisdom and consideration.
There are also scriptural passages about descendents being like the stars and grains of sand on the beach, which suggest that the future will be filled with flourishing humans, and it follows that we have a certain degree of responsibility towards them, which can be considered support for a kind of soft Longtermism.
We’re somewhat skeptical of hard Longtermism though, as it seems like the far future is ultimately in the hands of God, and not something we can plan about with much certainty. As Christians, we choose to be particularly humble about what we’re capable of influencing, which is admittedly somewhat different from regular EA thinking.
As for resources, you could join the EACH Facebook Group, and for a bunch of potentially relevant articles there’s the Christ and Counterfactuals substack blog (which is written by a number of EACH members).
As a Christian, I’d add that lots of really bad stuff has happened over the course of human history, like the Black Death. It’s true that longtermists focus more on of value of X-risk reduction in avoiding human extinction, but there’s still considerable value if the worst-case scenario is “only” the death of one-third of the world’s current population.
Depending on the specific congregation, more of an AI ethics approach could also be helpful—I think there’s much in Catholic moral theology in particular that relates to this, although the basic ideas should be present ~everywhere.
Hi Jason,
Thank you for your response.
Do you think you could elaborate on the second point? I’m personally unfamiliar with Catholic moral theology and would be interested in learning more about the basic ideas that connect to AI ethics.
Thank you,
- Aaron
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for your thorough and thoughtful responses. This has helped me gain an understanding of your perspective. I’m now considering speaking to the head pastor this Sunday about EACH, with what you’ve said in mind. I find that this point in particular stood out to me as reasonable and important.
Side note:
I followed the Christ and Counterfactuals blog and will read more of what they have on there. Philosophy of Religion is somewhat of a natural interest for me, as is the theology of Christianity, so if you know anyone who I should reach out to about potentially contributing to the blog, that would be wonderful. I would love to add to the discussion and body of work.
Thank you again,
Aaron