I canât see the downvoted comment in your comment history. Did you delete it?
By the way, did you use an LLM such as ChatGPT or Claude to help write this post? It has the markings of LLM writing. I think when people detect that, they are turned off. They want to read what you wrote, not what an LLM wrote.
Another factor is that if you are a new poster, you get less benefit of the doubt and you need to work harder to state your points in plain English and make them clear as day. If itâs not immediately clear what youâre saying, and especially if your writing seems LLM-generated/âLLM-assisted, people will not put in the time and effort to engage deeply.
yesâmy writing tends to start out as a loose collection of thoughts/â ponderings that i then try to flesh out more clearly of what iâm trying to get at, and to draw a clearly through line in my logic. i donât think there is anything wrong using assistance as long as the core ideas/â arguments arenât being artificially generatedâi do not do this. to be fair, i assume a loose collection of thoughts would not be well received given what iâve seen posted here but i can test that out and see if what i have to say is received any better.
I think you should practice turning your loose collections of thoughts into more of a standard essay format. That is an important skill. You should try to develop that skill. (If you donât know how to do that, try looking for online writing courses or MOOCs. There are probably some free ones out there.)
One problem with using an LLM to do this for you is that itâs easy to detect, and many people find that distasteful. Whether itâs fully or partially generated by an LLM, people donât want to read it.
Another problem with using an LLM is youâre not really thinking or communicating. The act of writing is not something that should be automated. If you think it should be automated, then donât post on the EA Forum and wait for humans to respond to you, just paste your post into ChatGPT and get its opinion. (If you donât want to do that, then you also understand why people donât want you to post LLM-generated stuff on here, either.)
case in point: you urging that i fall back on convention (âstandard essay formatâ) to conform to this community. in fact, itâs precisely why i even used the llm in the first place.
why is it that a raw, unrefined post albeit able to make a clear argument, cite sources, etc should be rejected because of formatting? it would appear optics are more important than ideas, no?
If the post is able to make a clear argument, thatâs almost all that matters. If you think your loose collections of thoughts do make a clear argument, then that might be sufficient for an EA Forum post. Why I recommended âmore of a standard essay formatâ is that this tends to be what makes an argument clear to the people reading.
The ideas are important, but communicating your ideas so that people can easily understand them is also important. You need both for a good essay, article, or blog, or for a good EA Forum post.
I canât see the downvoted comment in your comment history. Did you delete it?
By the way, did you use an LLM such as ChatGPT or Claude to help write this post? It has the markings of LLM writing. I think when people detect that, they are turned off. They want to read what you wrote, not what an LLM wrote.
Another factor is that if you are a new poster, you get less benefit of the doubt and you need to work harder to state your points in plain English and make them clear as day. If itâs not immediately clear what youâre saying, and especially if your writing seems LLM-generated/âLLM-assisted, people will not put in the time and effort to engage deeply.
yesâmy writing tends to start out as a loose collection of thoughts/â ponderings that i then try to flesh out more clearly of what iâm trying to get at, and to draw a clearly through line in my logic. i donât think there is anything wrong using assistance as long as the core ideas/â arguments arenât being artificially generatedâi do not do this. to be fair, i assume a loose collection of thoughts would not be well received given what iâve seen posted here but i can test that out and see if what i have to say is received any better.
I think you should practice turning your loose collections of thoughts into more of a standard essay format. That is an important skill. You should try to develop that skill. (If you donât know how to do that, try looking for online writing courses or MOOCs. There are probably some free ones out there.)
One problem with using an LLM to do this for you is that itâs easy to detect, and many people find that distasteful. Whether itâs fully or partially generated by an LLM, people donât want to read it.
Another problem with using an LLM is youâre not really thinking or communicating. The act of writing is not something that should be automated. If you think it should be automated, then donât post on the EA Forum and wait for humans to respond to you, just paste your post into ChatGPT and get its opinion. (If you donât want to do that, then you also understand why people donât want you to post LLM-generated stuff on here, either.)
case in point: you urging that i fall back on convention (âstandard essay formatâ) to conform to this community. in fact, itâs precisely why i even used the llm in the first place.
why is it that a raw, unrefined post albeit able to make a clear argument, cite sources, etc should be rejected because of formatting? it would appear optics are more important than ideas, no?
If the post is able to make a clear argument, thatâs almost all that matters. If you think your loose collections of thoughts do make a clear argument, then that might be sufficient for an EA Forum post. Why I recommended âmore of a standard essay formatâ is that this tends to be what makes an argument clear to the people reading.
The ideas are important, but communicating your ideas so that people can easily understand them is also important. You need both for a good essay, article, or blog, or for a good EA Forum post.