I agree the systemic effort is likely not worth it.
I think part of the problem is that, almost by definition, the people who have any expertise at all in law have also been inculcated in a culture that is extremely averse to both risks and quantified estimates. That leaves people without expertise but higher tolerance for risk and quantification (like Habryka) to come up with their own numbers and perhaps not respect the expertise behind the caution enough. I was hoping to unstick that log jam by introducing specifics that could be discussed at the object level. And I consider your suggestion to look at fee applications in bankruptcy court to be a success on that front, although the problem is very far from resolved.
Would you be willing to sit down with me and operationalize or parameterize some beliefs, which we can then send a legal researcher after? Or something like a double crux collaboration.
I find it completely plausible that there are a ton of hidden costs I could never find as an amateur, but I do want to have hard data instead of merely taking your word for it. I think using your guidance to figure out the right questions to get hard data on might be a huge win.
Habryka has confirmed he’s happy to pay for your time. Given that and the fact that he’s currently paying an expensive non-expert researcher (me), I’m extremely confident that if we find questions with the right level of tractability and meaning, he’ll cover the eventual legal researcher as well, although I didn’t wait for answer before posting this.
I agree the systemic effort is likely not worth it.
I think part of the problem is that, almost by definition, the people who have any expertise at all in law have also been inculcated in a culture that is extremely averse to both risks and quantified estimates. That leaves people without expertise but higher tolerance for risk and quantification (like Habryka) to come up with their own numbers and perhaps not respect the expertise behind the caution enough. I was hoping to unstick that log jam by introducing specifics that could be discussed at the object level. And I consider your suggestion to look at fee applications in bankruptcy court to be a success on that front, although the problem is very far from resolved.
Would you be willing to sit down with me and operationalize or parameterize some beliefs, which we can then send a legal researcher after? Or something like a double crux collaboration.
I find it completely plausible that there are a ton of hidden costs I could never find as an amateur, but I do want to have hard data instead of merely taking your word for it. I think using your guidance to figure out the right questions to get hard data on might be a huge win.
Habryka has confirmed he’s happy to pay for your time. Given that and the fact that he’s currently paying an expensive non-expert researcher (me), I’m extremely confident that if we find questions with the right level of tractability and meaning, he’ll cover the eventual legal researcher as well, although I didn’t wait for answer before posting this.