your first reply seemed to be about how i worded the point (you wrote “obnoxiously posed”, and reworded it) rather than pedanticness/irrelevance. i mentally replaced “this is obnoxious” with “this makes me feel annoyed”, which i think is okay to say. i also considered letting you know i’m autistic, which makes me word things differently or more literally[1] or in ways that can seem to have unintended emotional content. (i wonder if that’s what made it feel like “marking it up in red pen”)
onto object-level: what i wrote actually seemed substantive to me, i.e. it really did seem to me that the quote in point 2 was strongly misrepresenting the position the post intended to argue against, so i wouldn’t consider it pedantic. (it could separately be false, of course)
If quila really cares about where the scout mindset metaphor falls apart they could have probed that instead of just dinging me as they are the referee
it did not occur to me that you might endorse the scout/soldier metaphor, and just be using the existence of scout/soldier in ‘scout/soldier mindset’ to bring it up; so yes, if that’s actually the case, it would have been better to notice that and then either not comment on it or probe it as you say. using a metaphor is not invalid.
here’s how i perceived it at the time: ‘scout mindset’ and ‘soldier mindset’ have particular meanings, so whether traditional soldiers are necessary for traditional scouts is a different topic. writing about them instead seemed ‘opportunistic’ in some sense, as if the text was using the terminological overlap to sneak through an argument about one as about the other.
i wonder if this thread could have been mitigated if i were more clear about that in my initial comment. if anyone has advice it is welcome.
here’s how i perceived it at the time: ‘scout mindset’ and ‘soldier mindset’ have particular meanings, so whether traditional soldiers are necessary for traditional scouts is a different topic. writing about them instead seemed ‘opportunistic’ in some sense, as if the text was using the terminological overlap to sneak through an argument about one as about the other.
I mean, no more than when Julia Galef wrote it? Have you read the book? There’s a long discussion of this metaphor and my analysis would totally fit there. Julia says there are important times and places for soldier mindset, but everyone seems to have forgotten this and just remembers scout mindset as “the good one”.
i’m not bothered by your comments.
your first reply seemed to be about how i worded the point (you wrote “obnoxiously posed”, and reworded it) rather than pedanticness/irrelevance. i mentally replaced “this is obnoxious” with “this makes me feel annoyed”, which i think is okay to say. i also considered letting you know i’m autistic, which makes me word things differently or more literally[1] or in ways that can seem to have unintended emotional content. (i wonder if that’s what made it feel like “marking it up in red pen”)
onto object-level: what i wrote actually seemed substantive to me, i.e. it really did seem to me that the quote in point 2 was strongly misrepresenting the position the post intended to argue against, so i wouldn’t consider it pedantic. (it could separately be false, of course)
it did not occur to me that you might endorse the scout/soldier metaphor, and just be using the existence of scout/soldier in ‘scout/soldier mindset’ to bring it up; so yes, if that’s actually the case, it would have been better to notice that and then either not comment on it or probe it as you say. using a metaphor is not invalid.
here’s how i perceived it at the time: ‘scout mindset’ and ‘soldier mindset’ have particular meanings, so whether traditional soldiers are necessary for traditional scouts is a different topic. writing about them instead seemed ‘opportunistic’ in some sense, as if the text was using the terminological overlap to sneak through an argument about one as about the other.
i wonder if this thread could have been mitigated if i were more clear about that in my initial comment. if anyone has advice it is welcome.
maybe ‘more structured like the thought is structured internally’
I mean, no more than when Julia Galef wrote it? Have you read the book? There’s a long discussion of this metaphor and my analysis would totally fit there. Julia says there are important times and places for soldier mindset, but everyone seems to have forgotten this and just remembers scout mindset as “the good one”.